(09-23-2022, 01:35 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: This is a really thorough article on the struggles. One key point is that sacks are more a function of qb playing style than line. Ie Tom Brady probably wouldn't get sacked much here.

It’s not just Joe Burrow taking too many sacks. It’s a complete disconnect between Cincinnati’s rushing and passing games.

By Ben Solak  Sep 23, 2022, 9:47am EDT

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/9/23/23367966/cincinnati-bengals-offense-struggles-joe-burrow-zac-taylor

Quote:This split creates predictability. The Bengals run on 80 percent of their under-center snaps, which is the sixth-highest rate in the league. When running from under center, more than 80 percent of their plays are zone runs, which is the third-highest rate in the league. And when they try to run anything else, they don’t execute well.

(09-23-2022, 02:15 PM)ochocincos Wrote: So the Bengals are trying to do a lot of running when it's a stacked box, and they're trying to do a lot of passing when it's Cover 2.

(09-23-2022, 02:15 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Here's a very telling quote:

Quote:This split creates predictability. The Bengals run on 80 percent of their under-center snaps, which is the sixth-highest rate in the league. When running from under center, more than 80 percent of their plays are zone runs, which is the third-highest rate in the league. And when they try to run anything else, they don’t execute well.

(09-23-2022, 02:36 PM)Joelist Wrote: In other words, those of us who have said for a long time that the Bengals telegraph the play by the formation are right. 

(09-23-2022, 02:19 PM)Au165 Wrote: I mentioned this last week. Burrow has at times checked IN TO runs in stacked box situations. After the Steelers when everyone was talking about his passing issues I was very vocal to say he was making a ton of bad decisions in getting us in and out of plays and I couldn't figure out why.

(09-23-2022, 03:14 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I thought this was particularly telling too. Whether it's play-style or what...Burrow is going to be sacked A LOT more than the average QB:

'Teams are not blitzing Burrow—he’s been blitzed on 20 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest number in the league. Teams are not soundly beating the Bengals’ offensive line—though certainly, facing T.J. Watt and Micah Parsons in consecutive weeks to open the season has presented its challenges. Simply, when Burrow is pressured (on 31 percent of his dropbacks, a league-average number), he is getting sacked off of that pressure at a league-leading rate (38 percent).


This is the same sensation the Bengals experienced last season—Burrow had a league-average number of pressured dropbacks, but a league-high number of sacks. Burrow’s high sack numbers wouldn’t go away if the 2016 Cowboys’ offensive line was playing in front of him. This is his play style. He’s a gamer, a risk taker, an I-can-make-you-miss-er. This is who he is.'

(09-23-2022, 02:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually that is a very deceptive quote.  Bengals run on 80% of under-center snaps is not that far off the league average which is around 70%.

Also most teams have one running style that they try to run consistently.

Finally, the best running teams often have the highest run tendencies and the best passing teams often have the highest passing tendencies.  Good team win with talent and execution not random tendencies. 

Even if you only throw 10-15% of the time out of a formation the defense still has to cover the receivers.

(09-23-2022, 02:19 PM)Au165 Wrote: I mentioned this last week. Burrow has at times checked IN TO runs in stacked box situations. After the Steelers when everyone was talking about his passing issues I was very vocal to say he was making a ton of bad decisions in getting us in and out of plays and I couldn't figure out why.

(09-23-2022, 03:34 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: He's checking into runs with stacked boxes because he's scared to death of being sacked with the extra pressure/bodies on the line. 

(09-23-2022, 04:08 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: IF that's the case...that's really bad.

Really I can't think of a reason that's good.

He either can't read a defense, is getting fooled, or like you said...doesn't want sacked.

(09-23-2022, 03:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Lots of time QBs get blamed for holding the ball too long when the problem is actually that receivers are not getting open.  But we have the best WR trio in the league.  We may not be able to push it deep every play, but SOMEBODY should be getting open short/underneath almost every play.

(09-23-2022, 04:33 PM)higgy100 Wrote: I'm not sure we have the absolute best as there are several teams that have 3 very very good WR's but, regardless, there are times, actually many times, that QB's have to "throw open" the receiver which is far different than throwing to an open WR. I think we can all agree that JB does/has held onto the ball too long on several occasions in his career.

Some of that is due to the Bengals running lots of vertical routes which takes more time. Maybe he's simply not throwing open his receivers on some of the mid-range throws more often than not. You can do that with an elite QB far more at the college level but not here where windows close quicker. Either way, there's a trickle-down affect that happens when you have 11 guys either not working together or sometimes all it takes is one guy.

(09-23-2022, 05:26 PM)Housh Wrote: I’m at the point where i don’t care anymore


Everyone knows the line is the problem.



Play better and let us judge this team for real

The line has been so bad you can’t even get a idea of where we’re at as a team yet