(01-12-2024, 08:27 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Looking at his longest plays each game he did still have a decent amount of big ones.

30+ yards - 7x
40+ yards - 4x
60+ yards - 3x

For comparison’s sake Tyreek had:

30+ yards - 8x
40+ yards - 6x
60+ yards - 2x

(01-12-2024, 06:14 AM)ClarkHarris4Prez Wrote: What happened to big play Chase? In 2021 the guy was electric. Big plays everywhere and really the lightning rod of our offense. While he’s still been really good the last two years his big plays are way down. Does anyone know why? In my view it seems like we use him way too much on shorter stuff. I don’t have a clue why we don’t take deep go routes to him atleast 4 times a game. 75 percent of the time he’s either going to bring it down or draw a penalty. Just wondering if the film junkies have a legitimate answer for this. Hoping this staff wakes up and uses him like the Ferrari he is and stops trying to make him a possession reciever. We can’t pay the guy 30 mil a year to catch 7 yard passes all day. Trenton Irwin can handle that.

(01-12-2024, 08:27 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Looking at his longest plays each game he did still have a decent amount of big ones.

30+ yards - 7x
40+ yards - 4x
60+ yards - 3x

For comparison’s sake Tyreek had:

30+ yards - 8x
40+ yards - 6x
60+ yards - 2x

(01-12-2024, 06:14 AM)ClarkHarris4Prez Wrote: What happened to big play Chase? In 2021 the guy was electric. Big plays everywhere and really the lightning rod of our offense. While he’s still been really good the last two years his big plays are way down. Does anyone know why? In my view it seems like we use him way too much on shorter stuff. I don’t have a clue why we don’t take deep go routes to him atleast 4 times a game. 75 percent of the time he’s either going to bring it down or draw a penalty. Just wondering if the film junkies have a legitimate answer for this. Hoping this staff wakes up and uses him like the Ferrari he is and stops trying to make him a possession reciever. We can’t pay the guy 30 mil a year to catch 7 yard passes all day. Trenton Irwin can handle that.

(01-12-2024, 10:05 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That's a weird way to determine things.

2023 Tyreek Hill: 29 catches of 20+ yards, 9 catches of 40+ yards
2023 Ja'Marr Chase: 14 catches of 20+ yards, 4 catches of 40+ yards
2022 Ja'Marr Chase: 9 catches of 20+ yards, 3 catches of 40+ yards
2021 Ja'Marr Chase: 22 catches of 20+ yards, 8 catches of 40+ yards

As Xeno mentioned, I think it's also a matter of Chase isn't getting those yards through the air like in 2021, but after the catch. 

2023 Tyreek Hill: 9.6 yards before the catch
2023 Ja'Marr Chase: 6.8 yards before the catch
2022 Ja'Marr Chase: 7.0 yards before the catch
2021 Ja'Marr Chase: 9.9 yards before the catch

He went from a special player to just a very very good one.

• Burrow was only healthy for maybe 3-4 games this year.  Browning did a good job filling in but that Burrow/Chase connection is special.
• Combine that with OL struggles, especially early in the year, and we all about quick/short passes.  
• Higgins had a tough year staying healthy so defenses could put help on Chase's side
• We don't really have that explosive WR that can stretch defenses
• We don't really have someone that feeds in the middle of the field (i.e. TE).  
• We had no real run game to pull the safeties to the line.  We didn't have a 100 yard rusher until the last game!
  

(01-12-2024, 10:33 AM)Synric Wrote: In 2021 Defensive Coordinators attacked Joe Burrow like they do every young QB with little starting experience they threw their entire blitz package at him which created more 1 on 1 opportunities for Chase outside.

In 2022 Defensive Coordinators changed it up and strategically blitzed while playing alot more cover 2 shading Chase. They were taking away those big plays and forcing Burrow to drop read and take every yard rhe defense gives him. The Bengals did a good job moving Chase around to create matchups and get him YAC.

Now the issue with 2022 is that because they seen more cover 2 than any other team in the NFL is that box was light they usually seen 7 or 6 1/2 men in the box. They should have been able to create explosive run plays which would put more guys in the box and giving Chase those 1 on 1 outside matchups again.


All in all if you want to see more downfield long sideline throws the Bengals have to create more explosive plays in the rush offense.

(01-12-2024, 10:33 AM)Synric Wrote: In 2021 Defensive Coordinators attacked Joe Burrow like they do every young QB with little starting experience they threw their entire blitz package at him which created more 1 on 1 opportunities for Chase outside.

In 2022 Defensive Coordinators changed it up and strategically blitzed while playing alot more cover 2 shading Chase. They were taking away those big plays and forcing Burrow to drop read and take every yard rhe defense gives him. The Bengals did a good job moving Chase around to create matchups and get him YAC.

Now the issue with 2022 is that because they seen more cover 2 than any other team in the NFL is that box was light they usually seen 7 or 6 1/2 men in the box. They should have been able to create explosive run plays which would put more guys in the box and giving Chase those 1 on 1 outside matchups again.


All in all if you want to see more downfield long sideline throws the Bengals have to create more explosive plays in the rush offense.

(01-12-2024, 11:06 AM)Garrus Wrote: I wonder how Hill is still able to get open deep so often still when other WRs are not able to. Is it really just his speed?

(01-12-2024, 11:06 AM)Garrus Wrote: I wonder how Hill is still able to get open deep so often still when other WRs are not able to. Is it really just his speed?

(01-12-2024, 11:06 AM)Garrus Wrote: I wonder how Hill is still able to get open deep so often still when other WRs are not able to. Is it really just his speed?

(01-12-2024, 11:58 AM)Whatever Wrote: The 'fins also have Waddle, who is also a 4.3 guy.  It's a lot easier to take away one deep threat when the rest of your skill guys are slow by NFL standards.  NFL DC's respect Rodney Dangerfield more than they respect Boyd.  

(01-12-2024, 10:39 AM)BleedNOrange Wrote: He kept talking smack before games and then got shut down.  He stirred the hornets nest.  Haha.

Seriously though, it's a combination of many things, including...  

• Burrow was only healthy for maybe 3-4 games this year.  Browning did a good job filling in but that Burrow/Chase connection is special.
• Combine that with OL struggles, especially early in the year, and we all about quick/short passes.  
• Higgins had a tough year staying healthy so defenses could put help on Chase's side
• We don't really have that explosive WR that can stretch defenses
• We don't really have someone that feeds in the middle of the field (i.e. TE).  
• We had no real run game to pull the safeties to the line.  We didn't have a 100 yard rusher until the last game!
  

(01-12-2024, 11:26 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: Synric touched on it above but it is the Miami run game that plays a huge part here. Against Cincinnati, teams can set in split safety looks all day because what is Cincinnati going to do about it? It's exactly what Kansas City did a few weeks ago and the Bengals barely averaged three yards per carry. The strategy when a team sits in two high is to run them out of it. Cincinnati can't do that, so teams play lighter boxes with deep safeties to prevent big plays.

Against Miami, you have Mostert and Achane terrorizing defenses. They had the best run game in the league with 2300 yards at 5.1 YPC and 27 TDs. You can't sit in a split safety look, so you are forced to drop one down which opens up the possibilities of explosives down the field. Miami also motions Hill a lot so he is already moving pre-snap and yes, he is absurdly fast and quick. Also, he's just a really good receiver. He knows where the holes are in the defense and has the athleticism to get there. 

Also, the Chiefs had a strong run game when Hill was there as well, so similar story.