(11-15-2024, 06:32 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: All of those early picks, yet you chose no one to help the interior of the OL?? I mean if you wanted to imitate what Mike Brown might do if he bought into such a trade, you nailed it.

(11-15-2024, 06:32 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: All of those early picks, yet you chose no one to help the interior of the OL?? I mean if you wanted to imitate what Mike Brown might do if he bought into such a trade, you nailed it.

(11-15-2024, 07:10 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: lol exact same thing I was thinking.

There's always free agency, which I'd honestly rather have a solid vet, but we also need to build for the future.

Interior OL should be our number one priority because Burrow and Chase can outscore just about any offense with time to throw, which Burrow hasn't had yet in his career here.

(11-17-2024, 11:49 AM)Synric Wrote: I'm not gonna hate because of the positions you took... I'm gonna hate on the mock because you took two DL and neither can rush the passer lol. Evan Stewart is a deep threat similar to Burton. Mason Taylor is similar and opposite of Erick All. Similar prospect but he is more refine pass catch to All's run blocking. Love Ashton Jeanty but it is a deep RB class so I can see him sliding because of that.... not far though.

(11-18-2024, 02:54 PM)Whatever Wrote: Fair point regarding pass rush.  Both COULD develop, but definitely not a strong suit for either coming out.  

(11-18-2024, 08:11 PM)ochocincos Wrote: This would be my concern as well.

Bengals are 13th in rushing YPA allowed. Middle of the pack.
It's their lack of pass rush that seems to be more of a problem, and then teams are running on them after getting up to run out the clock.

For those folks who have played DL or coached defense before, is it easier to coach up how to stop the run or how to rush the passer?
I would think pass rush is harder to coach up because it typically requires more athleticism and skill than stopping the run, but that might be my ignorance.

I think as we're seeing especially this year, you're probably only getting decent contributions from 2 rookies.
Bengals need arguably two pass rushers (at least one DE, one DT), a DB (or two), a couple pass catchers, at least one swing tackle, and one backup IOL who could maybe push for starting reps in 2025.
Bengals aren't getting all of that in a single draft.

They'll need to assess the costs of quality veterans at different positions and invest $$ in FA to reduce the need for so many draft picks to contribute out of the gate.
Then in the draft, they should look to get significant contributions from two rookies and have 1-2 other rookies in some type of rotational role.
WR1's and good pass rushers are the most expensive, so I don't think Bengals spend in FA there.
If they spend on a WR to replace Higgins, it will be a more budget-friendly WR2.
TE and SAF are pretty cheap comparatively, so I think we may continue to see them go FA here.
OT I think it makes sense to get a quality backup as a swing tackle, as it's not realistic to expect a mid-round or late-round OT to have to step into a starting outside role as a rookie. There are usually quality swing tackle kinda guys available in FA who won't cost too much.
IOL I think is where we will want them to address in FA but I could see them drafting one early. However, I don't think that player will slot in as a starter initially, as they'll give Volson and Cappa every chance in the world to lose their spots. The likely plan will be to groom a draft pick for a year. See where that player is going into 2026 offseason before deciding to get a new vet starter or roll with the sophomore rookie.

(11-19-2024, 01:37 PM)Whatever Wrote:  What do you think about drafting T McMillan WR from Arizona he’s a big WR and would be an excellent Higgins replacement. I like Tyler Warren a lot too he’s versatile and you can even line him up as a Wildcat QB

The WR FA class is quite deep with a variety of good options.  I don't think they'll be at the top end with guys like Diggs and Godwin, but I can see them looking at a B tier guy like Dionte Johnson, Darius Slayton, Amari Cooper, or JuJu.  Not a particularly inspiring WR draft class, with 5 currently ranked in the Top 50.

With the Edge rusher FA class, honestly, some big names, but if we're paying a star edge rusher over 30, it needs to be Trey.  Josh Sweat and Michael Owenu are the only decent options under 30, and then you start getting into 1st round dissappointments like Chase Young and rotation players.  9 Edges currently in the Top 50 draft prospects, though.  

DT, honestly, BJ Hill might be the best of the bunch in FA.  There are 7 in the Top 50, but several are NT's that don't offer much pass rush.

The FA S is good this year, but the TE group doesn't inspire much confidence.  You're probably looking at another classic Bengals 1 year prove it and kick the can down the road unless you're going to address it in the draft.

T honestly, they can probably just bring back Ford, who isn't great, but he's only allowed one sack, so he's at least keeping Joe upright.  They still need a 4th T to groom, but they can grab one on Day 3 or earlier if the right value is there.  

G is a huge problem.  Fortunately, it's a very strong FA G class, headed up by Trey Smith and James Daniels at RG and Tevin Jenkins and Evan Brown at LG.  All four have an RAS over 9.0, and can help with the serious lack of athleticism on the OL.  Daniels had a 92 PFF grade before and Achilles injury in October, so could be had for less than market value may typically be.  

(11-19-2024, 01:37 PM)Whatever Wrote: The WR FA class is quite deep with a variety of good options.  I don't think they'll be at the top end with guys like Diggs and Godwin, but I can see them looking at a B tier guy like Dionte Johnson, Darius Slayton, Amari Cooper, or JuJu.  Not a particularly inspiring WR draft class, with 5 currently ranked in the Top 50.

I agree that they don't need to spend top end money on WR2, there are too many other places to redistribute that money to improve the team in other ways. Any of those B tier guys that you mentioned would likely do well with Burrow.

With the Edge rusher FA class, honestly, some big names, but if we're paying a star edge rusher over 30, it needs to be Trey.  Josh Sweat and Michael Owenu are the only decent options under 30, and then you start getting into 1st round dissappointments like Chase Young and rotation players.  9 Edges currently in the Top 50 draft prospects, though. 

I also agree about not spending big on a FA Edge Rusher, they need someone to compliment Trey, not try to be his equal. That opposite starting DE should also have a nose for shutting down the run as well. 

DT, honestly, BJ Hill might be the best of the bunch in FA.  There are 7 in the Top 50, but several are NT's that don't offer much pass rush.

Signing BJ to a two year deal might be their best value at 3T. I would like to see them release Rankins and sign an actual NT to plug the gap while Jackson continues to grow into the role.

The FA S is good this year, but the TE group doesn't inspire much confidence.  You're probably looking at another classic Bengals 1 year prove it and kick the can down the road unless you're going to address it in the draft.

I'd like to see them sign one of the better Safeties in the FA class, but suspect they'll try to go cheap again. At TE, it might be worth giving Gesicki a modest bump in pay to stick around for at least another year. He was a great 2nd option for Burrow when Higgins was out, it might pay to keep that consistency on the team while they transition to a new WR2.

T honestly, they can probably just bring back Ford, who isn't great, but he's only allowed one sack, so he's at least keeping Joe upright.  They still need a 4th T to groom, but they can grab one on Day 3 or earlier if the right value is there.

Feel the same with OT  

G is a huge problem.  Fortunately, it's a very strong FA G class, headed up by Trey Smith and James Daniels at RG and Tevin Jenkins and Evan Brown at LG.  All four have an RAS over 9.0, and can help with the serious lack of athleticism on the OL.  Daniels had a 92 PFF grade before and Achilles injury in October, so could be had for less than market value may typically be. 

Trey Smith would be the prize, but we know how the management feels about paying interior OL. I'm not as big on Daniels as some, my friends who follow the Steelers call him garbage due to his lack of run blocking ability and want him gone for that reason. I really liked Tevin Jenkins coming out of OK St. I believe that he had some injury issues as well, but would likely be a good risk for a modest price. I believe that Evan Brown starts at C for the Cardinals, but if he also plays G, that would be good insurance if Lee proves to not have the anchor to block NTs. 

(Yesterday, 12:05 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Responses in bold.

(Yesterday, 12:05 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Trey Smith would be the prize, but we know how the management feels about paying interior OL. I'm not as big on Daniels as some, my friends who follow the Steelers call him garbage due to his lack of run blocking ability and want him gone for that reason.
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(Yesterday, 01:55 PM)Whatever Wrote: Daniels isn't a great run blocker, but guys basically getting free runs at Burrow up the gut needs to be the priority, imo.

(11-15-2024, 06:32 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: All of those early picks, yet you chose no one to help the interior of the OL?? I mean if you wanted to imitate what Mike Brown might do if he bought into such a trade, you nailed it.