(12-10-2024, 11:12 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I know it sounds insane - trading our "best" defensive player on a defense that is currently terrible.

But, hear me out...

Yes, Trey is a great player and he's having a great season. Here are the facts of the matter, though:

Trey is unhappy and has already requested a trade.
He only has one year left on his deal.
He's going to be 32 at the end of next season. His best days are likely behind him and his stock is up right now.
His cap hit is around 20 million dollars.
And...let's be 1000% honest here...there have been games this year where Trey has dissapeared. He also isn't the greatest tackeler/run defender.

This defense has a ton of holes on it and it's going to need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Trading Trey will most likely net you a low first/high second round pick. It'll also clear up that 20 million in cap room. Use that money (along with some other defensive cuts) to completely revamp this defense. You can bring in a DT like Osa Odighizuwa and a safety like Jevon Holland or a CB like DJ Reed.

Trading Trey is the absolute quickest way to rebuild this defense. If you trade him, free up that cap and get some picks, then hit on those resources...we are talking about a one off-season rebuild. It needs to be done, especially if they have no intentions of extending him past next season.

(12-10-2024, 11:31 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So what's the plan for the rebuild? Who are you going to find for less to replace at least half of Hendrickson's pass rush production while a draft pick develops?

Trey Hendrickson is an absolute bargain for his production level, and I haven't seen any signs of him dropping off. The best thing that the Bengals could do is throw Big Play Trey about a $50M/2 year extension his way, and call it a day.

(12-10-2024, 11:37 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Hit free agency hard. You'd have about 40 million freed up if you were to cut Hubbard, Stone, Rankins, and then trade Trey. That's on top of the 60 million in cap space they currently have. 

100 million in cap space - go buy some tier 1 free agents then hit on a couple first round draft picks. Trey is a good value, but they need picks to reset this defense. There are just too many holes. 

(12-10-2024, 11:53 AM)J24 Wrote: If the FO trades Trey Hendrickson(which isn't a bad plan) then I would hope it would be for another player. A guy like Kerby Joseph would be a nice addition and makes sense for both teams.

(12-10-2024, 11:40 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's not a plan, that's just some knee-jerk suggestion. Who are you targeting, and at what contract values? Who better for equal or less money is going to fill those other 3 holes that you just created? It's really not as simple as "we'll just hit free agency, hard". 

(12-10-2024, 11:53 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Hitting on those resources as the OP worded it, is the problem. Our hitting on resources track record isn't so great at the moment. 

(12-10-2024, 11:12 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I know it sounds insane - trading our "best" defensive player on a defense that is currently terrible.

But, hear me out...

Yes, Trey is a great player and he's having a great season. Here are the facts of the matter, though:

Trey is unhappy and has already requested a trade.
He only has one year left on his deal.
He's going to be 32 at the end of next season. His best days are likely behind him and his stock is up right now.
His cap hit is around 20 million dollars.
And...let's be 1000% honest here...there have been games this year where Trey has dissapeared. He also isn't the greatest tackeler/run defender.

This defense has a ton of holes on it and it's going to need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Trading Trey will most likely net you a low first/high second round pick. It'll also clear up that 20 million in cap room. Use that money (along with some other defensive cuts) to completely revamp this defense. You can bring in a DT like Osa Odighizuwa and a safety like Jevon Holland or a CB like DJ Reed.

Trading Trey is the absolute quickest way to rebuild this defense. If you trade him, free up that cap and get some picks, then hit on those resources...we are talking about a one off-season rebuild. It needs to be done, especially if they have no intentions of extending him past next season.

(12-10-2024, 12:03 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That would be fantastic, but do you really think that the Lions would trade an up and coming star player, who happens to lead the league in INTs for a guy with only a couple of high production years left in him? I mean I'd be happy with that trade, I just don't see them doing that.

(12-10-2024, 12:18 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: It's a "concept" of a plan. 

I gave you some names. 100 million in cap space. This 100 million is without cutting Cappa (who will get cut). 

WR - Extend Chasae - 4 years 125 million. 32 million a year
DT - Osa Odighizuwa - 4 years 100 million. 25 million a year. 
Safety - Javon Holland - 4 years 65 million. 16 million a year. 
Edge - Josh Sweat - 3 years 75 million. 25 million a year. 

You added three really good players on defense. 

Draft another edge like Nic Scourton and a CB like Benjamin Morrison in the first couple rounds. One of those with the pick you aquired in the trading of Trey. This defense is built for the next 4-5 years.

(12-10-2024, 12:34 PM)QueenCity Wrote: I get the plan but I'm not convinced Bengals FO is creative enough to do these types of deals.

Bengals will likely keep him which I would support... find a way to get better by tagging and trading Tee.

(12-10-2024, 12:03 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That would be fantastic, but do you really think that the Lions would trade an up and coming star player, who happens to lead the league in INTs for a guy with only a couple of high production years left in him? I mean I'd be happy with that trade, I just don't see them doing that.

(12-10-2024, 11:31 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So what's the plan for the rebuild? Who are you going to find for less to replace at least half of Hendrickson's pass rush production while a draft pick develops?

Trey Hendrickson is an absolute bargain for his production level, and I haven't seen any signs of him dropping off. The best thing that the Bengals could do is throw Big Play Trey about a $50M/2 year extension his way, and call it a day.

(12-10-2024, 11:12 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I know it sounds insane - trading our "best" defensive player on a defense that is currently terrible.

But, hear me out...

Yes, Trey is a great player and he's having a great season. Here are the facts of the matter, though:

Trey is unhappy and has already requested a trade.
He only has one year left on his deal.
He's going to be 32 at the end of next season. His best days are likely behind him and his stock is up right now.
His cap hit is around 20 million dollars.
And...let's be 1000% honest here...there have been games this year where Trey has dissapeared. He also isn't the greatest tackeler/run defender.

This defense has a ton of holes on it and it's going to need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Trading Trey will most likely net you a low first/high second round pick. It'll also clear up that 20 million in cap room. Use that money (along with some other defensive cuts) to completely revamp this defense. You can bring in a DT like Osa Odighizuwa and a safety like Jevon Holland or a CB like DJ Reed.

Trading Trey is the absolute quickest way to rebuild this defense. If you trade him, free up that cap and get some picks, then hit on those resources...we are talking about a one off-season rebuild. It needs to be done, especially if they have no intentions of extending him past next season.

(12-10-2024, 03:57 PM)puddycat Wrote: The quickest way to rebuild is to not sign Chase or Tee.  It's insane, but it's the fastest.

It seems to me that the situation with Trey is not unsolvable.  Do fans realize that the Bengals have restructured his contract every single year? The Bengals couldn't have renegotiated with him when he asked even if they wanted to. BTW, he just had his Bday and is 30 now which will make him 31 at the end of next season. Up until this year he has been making franchise money, what the extension is lacking is any signing bonus/guaranteed money.

Of course I don't know what he's looking for, but paying him close to franchise money with a signing bonus and roster bonuses for 10+ sacks per year seems worth it.  I might feel different if the Bengals had a really good backup, but if and until that happens...

Lastly, this seems like just adding to the narrative that the Bengals aren't willing to take the steps needed to win, something they do not need right now.