(04-13-2016, 08:53 PM)Awful Llama Wrote: What year was it, 2014 maybe, when we kept rolling up 40+ points at every home game?  I remember us just pasting the Jets something like 45-9, and that was just one of four or five games where we rolled up the score on the opposition.

(04-14-2016, 02:25 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Marvin all the way

(04-14-2016, 10:29 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't see Marvin being any more conservative than any other NFL head coach.  This seems to be another one of those popular message board myths with not real facts behind it (see: Marvin never plays rookies.  Andy Dalton has a weak arm.  Bengals waste too many picks on projects.  etc etc)

Pretty much every NFL head coach plays conservative with a big lead.

(04-14-2016, 02:28 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Dalton did have a weak arm before working with House (wasn't so much about his arm being weak, but rather his throws being weak, which is what you meant).

(04-14-2016, 02:28 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: He didn't have big leads, and that's my point.  One or two scores, or even three, isn't a big lead.

(04-14-2016, 02:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: House did not improve Dalton's arm strength or increase the velocity on his throws.

(04-14-2016, 02:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: House did not improve Dalton's arm strength or increase the velocity on his throws.

(04-14-2016, 03:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And my point is that any coach with a great defense would play just like Marvin in these situations.

(04-14-2016, 03:50 PM)Wyche Wrote: Yes, he did, by improving Andy's footwork.....it all starts with the legs.

(04-15-2016, 04:59 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: You have to be disagreeing with me just to disagree and try to sound smarter than me because there's no way that anyone with a functioning brain would believe this.

Any coach with a great defense would realize that even great defenses get tired if they're on the field too much and that you need to move the ball and the chains to milk the clock and keep your defense on the sideline.  You run the ball more but you don't go into shut-down mode and only run.

A perfect example is all of 2009 when we'd get up a score or two or even three and then Marvin would have Bratkowski go into a mode of play calling that was run, run, pass, punt, which was easy to defend, so teams would come back, and then Palmer would have to beat them in the hurry-up offense with two minutes to play.

(04-15-2016, 05:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No.  You are wrong. 

2009 was an anomaly unlike any other year, but even then we were more conservative even when we did not have a lead.  We ran on first down all the time and did not really change when we had a lead.  But I agree we were much more conservative overall that year.

Other than that year Marvin does not play any more conservatively than any other coach in the league who has a good defense.

(04-15-2016, 06:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Since 2011 the Bengals have called a pass on 46.1% of the plays run when they were up by 7 points or more. That ranks 16th in the league and is almost identical to the league average of 46.6%.

However, when you look at the teams ranked by scoring defense it is clear that the teams with the best defenses are generally more conservative.  Only 2 teams with top ten scoring defenses ranked in the top 10 in pass% when leading by 7 or more (Pitt, NE).  The top 2 scoring defenses (Sea, SF) over that period rank 28th and 31st in percentage of passes when leading by 7 or more.  The Bengals have the #3 scoring defense and their pass percentage when up by 7 or more is actually higher than 4 other top ten defenses (Sea, SF, Hou, Car) and tied with a 5th (Bal).

So over the last 5 years it is clear that Marvin has not been more conservative than most other teams with good defenses.

(04-15-2016, 06:12 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: ...and the numbers when up by two scores or more? Also, curious as to where you got the numbers. Not doubting them, but interested for potential future use.