(10-10-2016, 01:21 AM)The Burfict Answer Wrote: I know bodice sucks he sucked last year. But everyone was saying smith was terrible and ced hasn't been good either . I just don't see how we've become so bad when we were holding dalton up last year

(10-10-2016, 02:16 AM)samhain Wrote: People will hate the suggestion I'm getting ready to make, but here goes:  Did the Wild Card game last year suck the life out of this group?  It was tough as shit to take as a fan.  I'm still not over it.  Can't imagine how it felt to actually be a part of it.

There was a diaspora of good coaches afterwards as well.  They all chased promotions for the most part, but did the feeling of leaving a shit show internally play into it?  

Maybe the guys that have been here throughout the Dalton era have finally been Bengalized.  I sure as hell hope not, because it would be an absolute shame.  They work their asses of year in and year out and meet the same end every single time.  Maybe they've just stopped believing that they can do it.  It sure looked like a lot of the fight and tenacity had gone out of them in Dallas.

(10-10-2016, 02:16 AM)samhain Wrote: People will hate the suggestion I'm getting ready to make, but here goes:  Did the Wild Card game last year suck the life out of this group?  It was tough as shit to take as a fan.  I'm still not over it.  Can't imagine how it felt to actually be a part of it.

There was a diaspora of good coaches afterwards as well.  They all chased promotions for the most part, but did the feeling of leaving a shit show internally play into it?  

Maybe the guys that have been here throughout the Dalton era have finally been Bengalized.  I sure as hell hope not, because it would be an absolute shame.  They work their asses of year in and year out and meet the same end every single time.  Maybe they've just stopped believing that they can do it.  It sure looked like a lot of the fight and tenacity had gone out of them in Dallas.

(10-10-2016, 04:43 AM)Thundercloud Wrote: I think it's a legitimate question. And it will be answered as the season goes on.

But just on the practical side, I think we miss the following:

1. Marvin Jones and Tyler Eifert.  We should be getting Eifert back soon, but we've got to get Boyd more involved. Even he is not a deep threat, which Jones was.  Core is probably our best prospect to stretch the field other than Green and we need to get him in there. We may even miss Sanu a little. I'm ok with Lafell, but we've got to get other receivers going.

2. Reggie Nelson.  One of the best non-drafted players we've ever had, and we let him go. We're hurting at safety. Williams is not as good as Reggie, and it seems to me that Iloka is suffering from Nelson's loss, too.

3. Our offensive line is not performing, and I think Cedric O is really struggling.  Andre Smith had his flaws, but was a good right tackle. Cedric will improve.  He was extremely highly rated by everyone coming out of college, and he will come around. But right now he's having some rough snaps.  But this is essentially his rookie year, and he didn't really get a good summer camp at all, either year he's been on the team.  Bodine is Bodine and I think Zeitler is having problems coping with struggling players, now on both sides of him.

4. I think we're seeing a little rust with Burfict, but he'll get over that.  Michael Johnson seems to be in decline, and Geno doesn't seem to be the force we all expect him to be lately.  He's had some good games, but he was certainly neutralized Sunday.

So yes, we did seem a little lifeless Sunday, but I think there are also some practical personnel issues at work, too.

(10-10-2016, 02:16 AM)samhain Wrote: People will hate the suggestion I'm getting ready to make, but here goes: Did the Wild Card game last year suck the life out of this group? It was tough as shit to take as a fan. I'm still not over it. Can't imagine how it felt to actually be a part of it.

There was a diaspora of good coaches afterwards as well. They all chased promotions for the most part, but did the feeling of leaving a shit show internally play into it?

Maybe the guys that have been here throughout the Dalton era have finally been Bengalized. I sure as hell hope not, because it would be an absolute shame. They work their asses of year in and year out and meet the same end every single time. Maybe they've just stopped believing that they can do it. It sure looked like a lot of the fight and tenacity had gone out of them in Dallas.

(10-10-2016, 07:10 AM)Wyche Wrote: I agree.....but Piano Man has WAY too many high round players and his HAND PICKED center on this unit for it to be this piss poor.  They need to send a message and shit can him today.  Some accountability is sorely lacking in this organization.....and that's as good a place as any to start.  

Don't worry Son of Paul......he can still play your dinner parties.

(10-10-2016, 02:16 AM)samhain Wrote: People will hate the suggestion I'm getting ready to make, but here goes:  Did the Wild Card game last year suck the life out of this group?  It was tough as shit to take as a fan.  I'm still not over it.  Can't imagine how it felt to actually be a part of it.

There was a diaspora of good coaches afterwards as well.  They all chased promotions for the most part, but did the feeling of leaving a shit show internally play into it?  

Maybe the guys that have been here throughout the Dalton era have finally been Bengalized.  I sure as hell hope not, because it would be an absolute shame.  They work their asses of year in and year out and meet the same end every single time.  Maybe they've just stopped believing that they can do it.  It sure looked like a lot of the fight and tenacity had gone out of them in Dallas.

(10-10-2016, 04:43 AM)Thundercloud Wrote: I think it's a legitimate question. And it will be answered as the season goes on.

But just on the practical side, I think we miss the following:

1. Marvin Jones and Tyler Eifert.  We should be getting Eifert back soon, but we've got to get Boyd more involved. Even he is not a deep threat, which Jones was.  Core is probably our best prospect to stretch the field other than Green and we need to get him in there. We may even miss Sanu a little. I'm ok with Lafell, but we've got to get other receivers going.

2. Reggie Nelson.  One of the best non-drafted players we've ever had, and we let him go. We're hurting at safety. Williams is not as good as Reggie, and it seems to me that Iloka is suffering from Nelson's loss, too.

3. Our offensive line is not performing, and I think Cedric O is really struggling.  Andre Smith had his flaws, but was a good right tackle. Cedric will improve.  He was extremely highly rated by everyone coming out of college, and he will come around. But right now he's having some rough snaps.  But this is essentially his rookie year, and he didn't really get a good summer camp at all, either year he's been on the team.  Bodine is Bodine and I think Zeitler is having problems coping with struggling players, now on both sides of him.

4. I think we're seeing a little rust with Burfict, but he'll get over that.  Michael Johnson seems to be in decline, and Geno doesn't seem to be the force we all expect him to be lately.  He's had some good games, but he was certainly neutralized Sunday.

So yes, we did seem a little lifeless Sunday, but I think there are also some practical personnel issues at work, too.

(10-10-2016, 08:19 AM)jason Wrote: I do hate the suggestion, but they sure did look to be Bengalized yesterday. Dalton looked furious. Green looked bored. The o line were turnstiles. The savior Burfict is fat, and looks like he could give a shit. The safeties look like the little kids chasing Rocky up the steps in Philadelphia. The other savior ain't coming back, and if he does, will be hurt again soon enough.


This season's gonna get ugly fellas. Early on, it felt like 2014.... It's gonna be closer to 2010.

I agree with Wyche.... A head needs to roll today. Somebody needs f****n' fired. Alexander, D line coach, Zampese, RB coach.... There are soany worthy candidates.