Early Projections Have Bengals Picking Top 5 Again In Next Years Draft

[GodFather]

(05-10-2021, 07:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: The last two years is the worst two year span in franchise history (tied with '93-94).

But that's all gonna change now with the pickup of Jackson Carman

[Murdock2420]

(05-10-2021, 09:48 PM)GodFather Wrote: When people refer to the Bengals as a mom and pop organization, they dont mean that in a complimentary way!

No they do not.

It's also why when the media bashes them for hires and draft picks, it is well earned. When they start winning and doing things differently the stigma will go away but until that time they have done nothing to get the benefit of the doubt.

[BigPapaKain]

(05-10-2021, 07:42 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I think Mike wants to win, but he only wants to win if he can do it his way. That means his scouting people, his family and friends program for hiring and drafting who he wants when he wants.

To really commit to being a championship team would require doing things he is unwilling to do as has been shown by his record since he took over.

It would be impressive if it wasn't just so damn sad.

Those are fair points. 

Hell, if he had Paul's football intelligence, it might even work. Unfortunately...well, no point in rehashing the last 30 years.

[Benton]

Eh, it depends on the reason.

If Jonah and Reilly play solid for 16 games and whoever is playing guard puts in a decent performance, but we lose more than half our games... then Zac needs to go.

If Jonah spends half the season on IR, and Reilly looks like a journeyman, and we have bad guard play, but we lose more than half our games... then Zac needs to go if it was his plan to avoid drafting better tackle prospects in the 2021 draft. If this was a Tobin/Brown decision to get a big play receiver and patch up the OL with spare parts, then that's not a ZT problem, just like it wasn't a Marvin Lewis problem.

[*Go Cards*]

MB sux and absolutely holds the franchise back.

Call me crazy but still think the Bengals will be a 6-9 win team this season and on the upswing.

[BengalChris]

(05-10-2021, 04:46 PM)GodFather Wrote: https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/5/10/22427938/2022-nfl-mock-draft-bengals-season-2022

So the early consensus for this upcoming season doesn't see the Bengals winning more than 5 games with the schedule they have putting them in the top 5 for next years draft. I am not shocked at all with the assessment and actually agree. I do not see them winning more than 5-6 games this upcoming season with the opponents they will face.


The real question is if this does come to fruition do you see Mike Brown saying for another year "We remain bullish on Zac Taylor and have him around for the 2022 season"?

To be a winning team you have to beat winning teams.

If Zac cannot do that, then he needs to be gone.

 

[Essex Johnson]

Home
Baltimore Ravens- 0-1
Cleveland Browns- 0-2
Green Bay Packers- 0-3
Jacksonville Jaguars 1-3
Kansas City Chiefs 1-4
Los Angeles Chargers 1-5
Minnesota Vikings 2-5
Pittsburgh Steelers 3-5
AWAY
Baltimore Ravens 3-6
Chicago Bears 4-6
Cleveland Browns 4-7
Denver Broncos 5-7
Detroit Lions 6-7
Las Vegas Raiders 6-8
New York Jets 7-8
Pittsburgh Steelers 7-9
San Fran 8-9

I see 7 to possible 9 wins if Burrow stays healthy, line plays ok and Chase performs, I will be disappointed in Burrow if we can;t win at least 6 games and possible ZT on his way out the door.

[Benton]

(05-10-2021, 10:48 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Home
Baltimore Ravens- 0-1
Cleveland Browns- 0-2
Green Bay Packers- 0-3
Jacksonville Jaguars 1-3
Kansas City Chiefs 1-4
Los Angeles Chargers 1-5
Minnesota Vikings 2-5
Pittsburgh Steelers 3-5
AWAY
Baltimore Ravens 3-6
Chicago Bears 4-6
Cleveland Browns 4-7
Denver Broncos 5-7
Detroit Lions 6-7
Las Vegas Raiders 6-8
New York Jets 7-8
Pittsburgh Steelers 7-9
San Fran 8-9

I see 7 to  possible 9 wins if Burrow stays healthy, line plays ok and Chase performs, I will be disappointed in Burrow if we can;t win at least 6 games and possible ZT on his way out the door.

ATM, it's looking like Love is the QB in GB. I'd say that's a win. I also think we'll split with the Browns and sweep the Steelers.

But, yeah, overall, I think an 8-9 win season unless there's huge injury problem.

[CJD]

Joe Brady 2022.

[Bengal Dude]

(05-11-2021, 12:22 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Joe Brady 2022.

My exact thought as well. If Taylor continues to flop this season, then the team needs to move on unless the FO wants to continue to say "F you, you wanted this" to the fan base. If we move on from Taylor, then I fully expect Joe Brady to be #1 target to help recreate the 2019 LSU team. 

[*Nately120*]

(05-10-2021, 05:32 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Regarding McAfee, normally I can't stand the guy, but he's not wrong about the franchise.  
Until we start winning or showing some competency as an organization this is how the national media/talk shows will talk about Cincinnati. 
It stopped after Marvin got here but the last 5  years have just thrown us back into that abyss we were in from 92-02.  
Regarding Zac, I agree this year is put up or shut up.  However, knowing how this organization operates I can see Mike keeping Zac because the fans wanted change.  Zac's change.  He's faced obstacles.  He's young still.  
There's just part of me that believes if Zac pulls in a 5-12 year this season he'll be here in 2022 because of the organizations incompetence. 

Being a Bengals homer is exhausting because you have to hate the national media for disrespecting us while simultaneously saying that our team has been such a joke for years that it is understandable our HC can only win 6 games in 2 years. 

[TJ528]

(05-10-2021, 09:58 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: No they do not.

It's also why when the media bashes them for hires and draft picks, it is well earned. When they start winning and doing things differently the stigma will go away but until that time they have done nothing to get the benefit of the doubt.

Murdock, lets be honest.  Until the organization breaks down and develops a true front office, multiple scouts for area's in the US, analytics specialist, ect this organization is just looked at differently whether we like it or not. 

That perception changes when they're winning but when they're losing its really easy to poke fun at the organization because they look cheap, inexperienced, limited, amongst many other things when compared to other teams in the NFL.  

Maybe Katie and Troy will change that once Mike's in the ground, but I'm not going to count on it because Mike learned to run the team from Paul and I'm sure Katie is learning to run the team from Mike, cheap and limited. 

[TJ528]

(05-10-2021, 10:48 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Home
Baltimore Ravens- 0-1
Cleveland Browns- 0-2
Green Bay Packers- 0-3
Jacksonville Jaguars 1-3
Kansas City Chiefs 1-4
Los Angeles Chargers 1-5
Minnesota Vikings 2-5
Pittsburgh Steelers 3-5
AWAY
Baltimore Ravens 3-6
Chicago Bears 4-6
Cleveland Browns 4-7
Denver Broncos 5-7
Detroit Lions 6-7
Las Vegas Raiders 6-8
New York Jets 7-8
Pittsburgh Steelers 7-9
San Fran 8-9

I see 7 to  possible 9 wins if Burrow stays healthy, line plays ok and Chase performs, I will be disappointed in Burrow if we can;t win at least 6 games and possible ZT on his way out the door.

I agree on the high side I can see this team winning 8 games "IF" Burrow stays healthy, the OL plays okay, and Chase performs and the defense can actually play defense and Lou can coach.  

However, here's a subject no one has talked about that i've seen.  Do you truly believe that Joe Burrow is going to come back Game 1 and be Joe Burrow of 2020?  Do you think Joe Burrow is going to be the Joe Burrow of 2020 in Game 6 or 7?  How many games does it take him to get acclimated back to the NFL game?  To get confident in his knee?  How long does it take for this offensive line to mesh together considering there's going to be multiple new parts?  However, the biggest question is Joe Burrow.  

[*Nately120*]

(05-10-2021, 09:19 PM)grampahol Wrote: Hell, we don't even get circus peanuts..we get the trash at the bottom of the trick or treat bag from 50 years ago when some schmuck would drop a handful of loose popcorn in your bag.. BTW..That WAS a thing back then. Ask any of us old guys from back then.. lol

Popcorn?  You kids had it so easy. Back in my day the holiday involved kids going door to door and getting a leather belt whipping from all the neighborhood adults.  

[*Nately120*]

(05-11-2021, 08:57 AM)TJ528 Wrote: Murdock, lets be honest.  Until the organization breaks down and develops a true front office, multiple scouts for area's in the US, analytics specialist, ect this organization is just looked at differently whether we like it or not. 

That perception changes when they're winning but when they're losing its really easy to poke fun at the organization because they look cheap, inexperienced, limited, amongst many other things when compared to other teams in the NFL.  

Maybe Katie and Troy will change that once Mike's in the ground, but I'm not going to count on it because Mike learned to run the team from Paul and I'm sure Katie is learning to run the team from Mike, cheap and limited. 

Katie could be 60+ years old when her ol man dies.  Do people usually turn their philosophies on a dime at that age?  

[XenoMorph]

so much can happen to us for us or to each team we face that its impossible to predict... But if we are picking anywhere near top 5 and it isnt cause we traded away a player... then i doubt we would have to worry about Zach.. we might have to worry about losing the Interim HC though

[TecmoBengals]

I just don't see Zac and staff improving to an 7 or 8 win season, the home schedule looks tough. Also, an win 8 season is a losing record starting this upcoming season.

[Tomkat]

(05-10-2021, 06:12 PM)Shouldamapads Wrote: Home
Baltimore Ravens- 0-1
Cleveland Browns- 0-2
Green Bay Packers- 0-3 (if Rodgers plays.. win if not)
Jacksonville Jaguars 1-3
Kansas City Chiefs 1-4
Los Angeles Chargers 2-4
Minnesota Vikings 3-4
Pittsburgh Steelers 3-5
AWAY
Baltimore Ravens 3-6
Chicago Bears 4-6
Cleveland Browns 4-7
Denver Broncos 5-7
Detroit Lions 6-7
Las Vegas Raiders 7-7
New York Jets 8-7
Pittsburgh Steelers 8-8
San Fran 8-9

Oh come on... the Browns have improved, but they're not world-beaters.  Counting them as 2 automatic losses is pretty foolish, in my opinion.

[*Nately120*]

(05-11-2021, 09:29 AM)Tomkat Wrote: Oh come on... the Browns have improved, but they're not world-beaters.  Counting them as 2 automatic losses is pretty foolish, in my opinion.

I agree but at the same time they won 11 games last year and did a lot of off season reinforcing.  I won't crown em but they are going about things in what at least appears to be the right manner. 

I want to count them as 2 wins against the Steelers, at least.   

[muskiesfan]

Say what you want, but Pat Mac is great. He was absolutely spot on about this organization. As a fan it's hard to hear, but it's not like we don't know these things to be true.

The front office is composed mostly of family and friends of the family. None have proven to be capable of sustained winning especially outside of the regular season. The owner still draws a paycheck for the title of GM regardless if the work is done by Tobin under a different title or not. The owner still meddles in team decisions even with a shitastic 3 decade+ track record of his own doing. We're the only team north of Atlanta without an indoor practice facility. We also have the smallest scouting department in the NFL. Instead of listening to scouts or reviewing what they have to say, the coaches have to pound the pavement to scout and we rely on information packets given to every team because our coaches can't possibly do of all the scouting plus their regular duties. I don't see the need to continue on.

The Bengals slapped a couple of band aids on the OL this year and everyone is eating it up. Even if we drafted Sewell the line wasn't upgraded enough. Our starters may be average or even slightly above, but once injuries hit and we have to go to our depth its straight garbage. The 1 tackle we did draft is a project player expected to take 1-2 years to be ready.

My optimistic prediction would be 6 wins. I hope to be wrong and this team is close to .500. I'll happily eat crow if they do better. I expect 3-4 wins with 6 being the maximum though.