Taylor, Tobin and the Draft
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Taylor, Tobin and the Draft
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10-30-2021, 02:18 PM
(10-30-2021, 02:11 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I don't believe for a second he does that in a vacuum. He has final say, but coaches get input. It seems he listens to this group of coaches on who they want to bring in and who they don't, both in the draft and in FA. Of course coaches get input but Duke is the one that makes the decision. Also I think him and Zac have a lot of similarities in what they envision this team to be. 
10-30-2021, 02:24 PM
(10-27-2021, 08:32 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Remember all the years of everyone complaining we did not have enough scouts, Tobin sucked at drafting, and flat out missing on a lot of high draft picks (looking at you John Ross, Cdric Oggiboggi, Jake Fisher, etc) You forgot to put a Swing and a Miss next to Drew Sample's name. ![[Image: 4CV0TeR.png]](https://i.imgur.com/4CV0TeR.png) "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
10-30-2021, 02:25 PM
10-30-2021, 02:37 PM
(10-29-2021, 08:58 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Sample is doing exactly what he was drafted to do, be a blocking TE to shore up the oline. He was not drafted to be a pass catcher. You don't know that. You don't draft a TE in rd2 unless you think there's some untapped upside to his pass catching abilities. If you wait till round 4 and pick Sample, fine. If you wait till rd 4 and Sample isn't there, no great loss. If you say "man...we gotta get this Sample guy cause he's not gonna be there in the 4th", then you have a problem. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
10-30-2021, 02:39 PM
(10-29-2021, 03:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I had Sample as a mid rounder, but I heard there was a team right behind us that was eyeing him in the 2nd. Missing out on Drew Sample would not have made a single ripple in the spacetime continuum of the Cincinnati Bengals. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
10-30-2021, 02:42 PM
Drew sample is not a bust. He's o n the team, making important contributions. Yeah, taken too high. But he does what he does at a high level.
Was Big Daddy a bust? Or Justin?
Go Benton Panthers!!
10-30-2021, 02:50 PM
(10-30-2021, 02:25 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Because he is doing exactly what they drafted him for. The fact some think he was taken too high is one point, to say he's a bust is ridiculous. If we go with that argument, which i don't. He's not doing that very well. Either by grade (pb 51.7--rb 60.4) or by pressures given up (T) for 2nd most among TEs or by pass block efficiency 90.0 (very bad), he's not "doing exactly what they drafted him for". He's not a bust. He's just not that good and he's taking a spot from someone who could be doing better. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
10-30-2021, 02:52 PM
(10-30-2021, 02:42 PM)SladeX Wrote: Drew sample is not a bust. He's o n the team, making important contributions. Yeah, taken too high. But he does what he does at a high level. Bad example. Big Daddy and Justin Smith both produced while with the Bengals. A couple blocks here and there from a 2nd round TE with next to nothing in the receiving game isn't producing. Anyway...i'm done with the argument. He's not good. He was picked too high and someone else should have his spot. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
10-30-2021, 02:54 PM
(10-30-2021, 02:50 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: If we go with that argument, which i don't. He's not doing that very well. His blocking definitely left a lot to be desired early on this season. And not just the one or two plays against DE’s. He’s been better lately, but he really should be one of the best blocking TE in the league if that’s all you’re getting from him. And he’s not. 
10-30-2021, 04:14 PM
(10-30-2021, 02:39 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Missing out on Drew Sample would not have made a single ripple in the spacetime continuum of the Cincinnati Bengals. Probably correct, but he DOES contribute to the team in a positive way. Decent blocking TE. If we switched the Pratt and Sample picks it would look better. I have been disappointed with Drew Sample's play in the passing game this year, that is for sure. But he also has made some key blocks that have led to this team's success. 
10-30-2021, 09:50 PM
Ryan Hewitt filled the same role as Sample and most fans praised him and said he was an important part of the offense. But he was an undrafted free agent.
People just like to shit on Sample because he was a second round pick.
10-30-2021, 09:53 PM
(10-30-2021, 09:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Ryan Hewitt filled the same role as Sample and most fans praised him and said he was an important part of the offense. But he was an undrafted free agent. Well…yeah. Just like people shit on players that are overpaid. It’s about value. Doesn’t mean the player is total garbage. Just means people feel the team could have used that pick/money more wisely.
10-30-2021, 11:17 PM
(10-30-2021, 09:53 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Well…yeah. Just like people shit on players that are overpaid. It’s about value. Doesn’t mean the player is total garbage. Just means people feel the team could have used that pick/money more wisely. I think they are doing it more to complain about the Bengals taking him in the second round. But to make their point valid they have to claim he is useless. I think it is possible to take the position that Sample is good at his job, but that does not make him worth a second round pick. Thta way you can complain about the bad draft decision without really blaming Sample for where he was drafted.
10-31-2021, 01:02 AM
(10-30-2021, 09:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Ryan Hewitt filled the same role as Sample and most fans praised him and said he was an important part of the offense. But he was an undrafted free agent. Duh "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
10-31-2021, 11:32 AM
(10-30-2021, 09:53 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Well…yeah. Just like people shit on players that are overpaid. It’s about value. Doesn’t mean the player is total garbage. Just means people feel the team could have used that pick/money more wisely. Don't blame the player for taking too much money. Blame the team for payig too much. |
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