Updated PFF OL tells the tale

[Soonerpeace]

26. CINCINNATI BENGALS (UP 6)

Projected Week 6 Starters:

LT Jonah Williams
LG Cordell Volson
C Ted Karras
RG Alex Cappa
RT La’el Collins

Cincinnati’s line was far better this week than in previous outings this season. Nobody on the line allowed more than one pressure against Baltimore.
Run blocking remains an issue, but if their pass protection continues on this trajectory, the team will consider that a major win.
Upcoming Opponent: New Orleans Saints

The Saints have elite talent up front, but it’s not playing up to that level in 2022. The team ranks fourth-worst in pressure rate and blitzes at the third-lowest rate.

[Soonerpeace]

You can talk all you want about Taylor/Callihan & Joey Franchise but anybody think if it was around 12 we’d be undefeated?

[*ochocincos*]

The starting OL's cumulative grades through 5 weeks (rank among position):
Jonah - 58.9 (59th of 72 OTs)
Volson - 49.5 (59th of 75 OGs)
Karras - 60.0 (18th of 38 OCs)
Cappa - 64.0 (25th of 75 OGs)
Collins - 53.2 (65th of 72 OTs)

So out of the group, Karras and Cappa are still sitting at "solid," Jonah and Collins are starter-level, and Volson is bad through the season so far.

This is based on the rating of:
80+ = elite
70-79 = good
60-69 = solid
50-59 = starter-level
49 or less = bad

This obviously means they might currently be better than what their cumulative grade indicates, but their bad performances early in the season are affecting their cumulative grade.
If they continue to improve as the season goes, their cumulative grade will go up too.

[Bengalstripes9]

Better play calling would make the line look better too. It's amazing how effective they were in the run game out of shotgun when the defense didn't expect it.

[Frank Booth]

(10-12-2022, 02:40 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: You can talk all you want about Taylor/Callihan & Joey Franchise but anybody think if it was around 12 we’d be undefeated?

yes because the run game wouldnt be horrific

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-12-2022, 02:48 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Better play calling would make the line look better too. It's amazing how effective they were in the run game out of shotgun when the defense didn't expect it.

Truth. We are clearly getting better, one of these games it will all come together. Hope it is Sunday in New Orleans.

Should be a fun game for Burreaux going back to the place he had so much success in college.

[Soonerpeace]

(10-12-2022, 02:48 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Better offensive line play would make Taylor/Callihan look better too. It's amazing how effective they were in the run game out of shotgun when the defense didn't expect it.

FIFY

[Bengalstripes9]

(10-12-2022, 02:51 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Truth. We are clearly getting better, one of these games it will all come together. Hope it is Sunday in New Orleans.

Should be a fun game for Burreaux going back to the place he had so much success in college.

I hope to see them get it together against a great defense on Sunday. Put up 30 and we'll be able to rest easy. If they continue to struggle like against the Cowboys, Steelers, and Ravens, its' hard to say how good we'll be this year.

(10-12-2022, 02:52 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: FIFY

You're right, better play calling makes the whole offense look better (coordinators included).

[SunsetBengal]

(10-12-2022, 02:58 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I hope to see them get it together against a great defense on Sunday. Put up 30 and we'll be able to rest easy. If they continue to struggle like against the Cowboys, Steelers, and Ravens, its' hard to say how good we'll be this year.


You're right, better play calling makes the whole offense look better (coordinators included).

It's a blend of factors that include play calling.  What enables play calling to be effective?  Flawless execution.

[Soonerpeace]

(10-12-2022, 02:58 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I hope to see them get it together against a great defense on Sunday. Put up 30 and we'll be able to rest easy. If they continue to struggle like against the Cowboys, Steelers, and Ravens, its' hard to say how good we'll be this year.


You're right, better play calling makes the whole offense look better (coordinators included).

Well #26 is #26. Yet they lost all 3 games at the very end of regulation. It’s a clear 4K Ultra HD resolution of the issues they are dealing with. It has to be totally frustrating for these guys.

[thompson19osu]

(10-12-2022, 02:51 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: yes because the run game wouldnt be horrific

This is my thoughts exactly. If the run game could be ranked middle of the pack we would be sitting 4-1. If the run game we’re more consistent Zac Taylor might consider running at least one rush play from the 2 yard line at first and goal. Oddly enough his decision not to run was on a night where the run game was working especially in the 2nd half. Just a real head scratcher all around.

[casear2727]

(10-12-2022, 02:48 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Better play calling would make the line look better too. It's amazing how effective they were in the run game out of shotgun when the defense didn't expect it.

We changed to a run gap scheme the majority of the plays instead of wide zone.

Vs Ravens:
Gap = 6.6 yds per carry
WZ = 2.7 yds per carry (close to Mixon's average)

[higgy100]

(10-12-2022, 03:36 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's a blend of factors that include play calling.  What enables play calling to be effective?  Flawless execution.

Unfortunately we have posters that don't watch things like this. 1 guy out of the 11 can screw up a play in which everybody wants ZT's head on a platter. Be it a G not getting to the 2nd level, a T not sliding inside, a TE missing a chip or a WR not cracking down on a block.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-12-2022, 03:59 PM)higgy100 Wrote: Unfortunately we have posters that don't watch things like this. 1 guy out of the 11 can screw up a play in which everybody wants ZT's head on a platter. Be it a G not getting to the 2nd level, a T not sliding inside, a TE missing a chip or a WR not cracking down on a block.

......even when the commentators point it out to the entire viewing audience, lol.

[Joelist]

The line was also just fine against Miami and even against the Jets it did its job mostly. Can't trust PFF ratings - remember they got taken to task even by normal PFF defenders are Jake Liscow in the sportswriter world over their Miami game scores - seems they listened a bit.

[THE PISTONS]

(10-12-2022, 04:27 PM)Joelist Wrote: The line was also just fine against Miami and even against the Jets it did its job mostly. Can't trust PFF ratings - remember they got taken to task even by normal PFF defenders are Jake Liscow in the sportswriter world over their Miami game scores - seems they listened a bit.

In pass protection. Against the Ravens was the only time we could run.

[Joelist]

(10-12-2022, 04:39 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: In pass protection. Against the Ravens was the only time we could run.

We also ran against the Jets. And interestingly it was using the same run scheme they used against the Rats. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(10-12-2022, 03:57 PM)casear2727 Wrote: We changed to a run gap scheme the majority of the plays instead of wide zone.

Vs Ravens:
Gap = 6.6 yds per carry
WZ = 2.7 yds per carry (close to Mixon's average)

And that was on a 15/3 gap/zone ratio. They had been splitting it mostly down the middle with a slight edge going to zone up until this past Sunday.

[*bengalfan74*]

(10-12-2022, 03:36 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's a blend of factors that include play calling.  What enables play calling to be effective?  Flawless execution.

Right

The Oline has had many bad plays, there's little doubt. But there's a lot of other stuff that hasn't went well either including play calling/game plans.

Joe Burrow has had several bad series. Joe Mixon has been in his funk. Chase has had off games.

Bottom line the offense has been way underachieving all the way around. It's not just the Oline.

[jj22]

Run blocking "remains an issue'. Can't even show any love for the much improved numbers we saw with our own eyes.