Darrin Simmons

[Sled21]

(10-07-2024, 09:17 AM)Millhouse Wrote: At the moment it happened and I saw it was the rookie, I said same thing. But it does make sense to have the punter be the holder. Main reason is practice time. Browning probably just doesnt have the time in practice to work on holding. And the punter, placekicker, and snapper can practice the entire time.

The main gripe I have on that whole situation is not trying for the field goal on first down when they went into those 3 plays with the mindset of settling for a field goal already. Get a bad snap or a bad hold, at least have a chance next two plays to get those yards back for a reasonable shot. But they decided to run it 3 times up the gut which they had poor production in the game, and that bit them hard on the 4th down mis-hold.

McPherson would have had to back out of that kick at the last second for them to get a 2nd try. I doubt he would have had time. 

[Whatever]

(10-07-2024, 09:15 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I get the logic that the Punter is used to handling snaps, even the occasional bad snap.  What I don't agree with is using the rookie Punter, put an experienced veteran out there.

The logic is that the backup QB has to be focused on running the second team offense in practice.  By making the punter the holder, the kicking unit can all practice by themselves independently of the offense and defense.

Rehkow effed up.  It sucks, but the coaches also failed to do everything in their power to put the team in the best position.  Playing for a 50 yard FG when you have it 1st and 10 in your opponent's territory with plenty of clock is completely moronic.  They should've tried to move the ball.  First, it makes it an easier kick.  Second, if we get a first down, then you can kick on 3rd down and the holder can just fall on it and we can try again on 4th down.  Third, you burn more clock and give the Ravens worse field position if you miss.  Instead, they take the game out of the hands of their best players and run the ball three straight downs.  Dumb.  

[Nepa]

(10-07-2024, 10:17 AM)Whatever Wrote: The logic is that the backup QB has to be focused on running the second team offense in practice.  By making the punter the holder, the kicking unit can all practice by themselves independently of the offense and defense.

Rehkow effed up.  It sucks, but the coaches also failed to do everything in their power to put the team in the best position.  Playing for a 50 yard FG when you have it 1st and 10 in your opponent's territory with plenty of clock is completely moronic.  They should've tried to move the ball.  First, it makes it an easier kick.  Second, if we get a first down, then you can kick on 3rd down and the holder can just fall on it and we can try again on 4th down.  Third, you burn more clock and give the Ravens worse field position if you miss.  Instead, they take the game out of the hands of their best players and run the ball three straight downs.  Dumb.  

Looks bad on hindsight. But that is an almost automatic kick for McPherson. If Burrow had been sacked or there had been a holding call or a tipped-ball interception or offensive-pass interference or intentional grounding to try and avoid the pass rush and the hindsight of the fans would be that it was moronic to run plays that could push them out of field goal range. 

[TheCincinnatiKid]

(10-07-2024, 10:38 AM)Nepa Wrote: Looks bad on hindsight. But that is an almost automatic kick for McPherson. If Burrow had been sacked or there had been a holding call or a tipped-ball interception or offensive-pass interference or intentional grounding to try and avoid the pass rush and the hindsight of the fans would be that it was moronic to run plays that could push them out of field goal range. 

I'm seeing this all over the place... 'Evan makes that kick 9 out of 10 times'...

Don't get me wrong, I expected he would be good from 53 yards as well... but he's 24/32 in his career at 50+. 

Interestingly though... he's 25/33 between 40-49... So I guess in theory he was as likely from 53 as he was from 43.

[Whatever]

(10-07-2024, 10:38 AM)Nepa Wrote: Looks bad on hindsight. But that is an almost automatic kick for McPherson. If Burrow had been sacked or there had been a holding call or a tipped-ball interception or offensive-pass interference or intentional grounding to try and avoid the pass rush and the hindsight of the fans would be that it was moronic to run plays that could push them out of field goal range. 

Mac is 49 of 64 from 40+ for his career. He is HARDLY automatic from that distance. Compare that to 38 of 39 from less than 40.  They should've tried to move the ball.  Nobody is going to question them going for a shorter kick when it's over 50 and 1st and 10 with plenty of time.

[SunsetBengal]

(10-07-2024, 10:17 AM)Whatever Wrote: The logic is that the backup QB has to be focused on running the second team offense in practice.  By making the punter the holder, the kicking unit can all practice by themselves independently of the offense and defense.

Rehkow effed up.  It sucks, but the coaches also failed to do everything in their power to put the team in the best position.  Playing for a 50 yard FG when you have it 1st and 10 in your opponent's territory with plenty of clock is completely moronic.  They should've tried to move the ball.  First, it makes it an easier kick.  Second, if we get a first down, then you can kick on 3rd down and the holder can just fall on it and we can try again on 4th down.  Third, you burn more clock and give the Ravens worse field position if you miss.  Instead, they take the game out of the hands of their best players and run the ball three straight downs.  Dumb.  

I completely agree with all of that paragraph. However, rewinding back to regulation where Burrow threw the pick. Why would they be dinking and dunking around like they were trying to chew clock, and not going for the kill shot to put it back to a two-score game? They knew that after Hill left the game that the secondary was extremely vulnerable as it turned into a contest of big plays. Baltimore's secondary had given up gravy to Burrow, over and over. Why not stick to targeting their also vulnerable secondary, as everyone knows that Baltimore hangs their hat on superb LB play.

[casear2727]

(10-07-2024, 11:10 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I completely agree with all of that paragraph. However, rewinding back to regulation where Burrow threw the pick. Why would they be dinking and dunking around like they were trying to chew clock, and not going for the kill shot to put it back to a two-score game? 

Because Zac has ZERO confidence in the defense, just like the rest of us.  We not only needed to score but burn clock.  It is embarrassingly sad.

[SunsetBengal]

(10-07-2024, 11:23 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Because Zac has ZERO confidence in the defense, just like the rest of us.  We not only needed to score but burn clock.  It is embarrassingly sad.

In my opinion, changing the tempo backfired. Putting the game to a two score lead would have all but been the ending. Not sure if it's the coaching or the players, but one or the other needs to develop that "step on the throat" mentality.

[Whatever]

(10-07-2024, 11:10 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I completely agree with all of that paragraph. However, rewinding back to regulation where Burrow threw the pick. Why would they be dinking and dunking around like they were trying to chew clock, and not going for the kill shot to put it back to a two-score game? They knew that after Hill left the game that the secondary was extremely vulnerable as it turned into a contest of big plays. Baltimore's secondary had given up gravy to Burrow, over and over. Why not stick to targeting their also vulnerable secondary, as everyone knows that Baltimore hangs their hat on superb LB play.

Yeah, the drive felt odd.  Like "We're kinda going for the throat, but not really."

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

Simmons is the new Paul Alexander, except he likes to use Heinz 57 sauce to evaluate his guys.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-07-2024, 02:52 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: More like

Taylor - 50%
Front office - 40%
Defense - 10%

You have to remember that the coaching staff has a massive hand in drafting and who to get in FA. We can't hit in the draft and our FA has been completely ass as well. It's obvious Zac has no idea on how to evaluate defensive players. It's obvious Zac has no idea how to do ANYTHING with the defense. He's an offensive minded coach that's not even that good on offense. The front office has a lot of blame for not keeping the defensive players we actually hit on. Bates and Reader should still be Bengals. I would MUCH rather have them than Tee. No offense to Tee either, because he's a great WR. We've just been ass at safety and now we're ass at DL.

I don't put a ton of blame in the defense. You know why? Because they are who everyone knew they were. No one thought BJ Hill was a world beater. Everyone knew losing Reader was going to be huge. Everyone knew that we had no pass rush other than Hendrickson. We're asking mediocre at best players to play at a high level. You can't expect to make chicken salad out of chicken shit 

You see everyone stepping up and taking the blame other than Taylor. You see Burrow saying he needed to play better. You see Chase saying he ran a shit route. You see McPherson saying it's on him. You see Rehkow saying it's on him. Then you see Taylor saying "he feels bad for his team". What a joke. What a terrible leader. What kind of coach says that. I would have at least a smidgen of respect for him if he just said it's on him, but no. He deflects by saying "we had a pass play called, BUT BURROW CHECKED OUT OF IT". Jesus, what more do you need to see that he's a terrible leader and coach.

So the guy that drafts the offense and gets its FAs (according to this post anyway) calls the plays on this offense, and is responsible for the scheme of this offense is fifty percent to blame? Where does this offense stand categorically in respect to the rest of the league? 

Now compare the defense......

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-07-2024, 09:15 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I get the logic that the Punter is used to handling snaps, even the occasional bad snap.  What I don't agree with is using the rookie Punter, put an experienced veteran out there.

Because Browning doesn't practice that? He's going to be a rookie in that situation too. Simmons didn't have his unit ready to go, forcing a timeout there, and essentially threw the whole process into chaos. That's on his ass. 

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-07-2024, 11:23 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Because Zac has ZERO confidence in the defense, just like the rest of us.  We not only needed to score but burn clock.  It is embarrassingly sad.

Yeah, I sure as hell don't. When did Moss go out with the ankle during that drive, or after?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-07-2024, 12:00 AM)J24 Wrote: 50 yard field goals are being made at a 90% clip around the NFL. If you miss one that's bad; especially in a clutch situation.

87% of all stats are made up on the spot.

The NFL is currently 74-96 at 50+, or 77.1%... also known as basically 3 for 4. That's not considering the fact that there's guys out there who CAN'T hit 50+ so they don't even attempt it.

Only 1 of the 11 guys in the NFL who has attempted at least 4 FGs of 50+ this year hasn't missed at least 1. If you miss one it isn't bad, it's NORMAL. Pretending 50+ FGs are gimmies and if you're not getting 9/10 or 10/10 is bad is dumb.

[Brownshoe]

(10-07-2024, 12:27 PM)Wyche Wrote: So the guy that drafts the offense and gets its FAs (according to this post anyway) calls the plays on this offense, and is responsible for the scheme of this offense is fifty percent to blame? Where does this offense stand categorically in respect to the rest of the league? 

Now compare the defense......

So since Marvin Lewis was a defensive coach all the years our offenses struggled wasn't on him? Or, is Zac the head coach and head coaches should take blame for both sides of the ball? Plus our offense has a few chances to ice the game and they couldn't. So where does the buck stop?

[J24]

(10-07-2024, 12:43 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 87% of all stats are made up on the spot.

The NFL is currently 74-96 at 50+, or 77.1%... also known as basically 3 for 4. That's not considering the fact that there's guys out there who CAN'T hit 50+ so they don't even attempt it.

Only 1 of the 11 guys in the NFL who has attempted at least 4 FGs of 50+ this year hasn't missed at least 1. If you miss one it isn't bad, it's NORMAL. Pretending 50+ FGs are gimmies and if you're not getting 9/10 or 10/10 is bad is dumb.

K, what's bad is when your holder can't hold the freaking ball.  If he holds it correctly you win the game most likely.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-07-2024, 12:48 PM)J24 Wrote: K, what's bad is when your holder can't hold the freaking ball.  If he holds it correctly you win the game most likely.

K, that's part of misses. EVERYONE misses and sometimes that miss is the snapper, sometimes it's the holder, sometimes it's the kicker, sometimes it's because it gets blocked. 90% is a made up fake number.

I've been openly critical of Darrin Simmons the last few years largely because he kept choosing shitty weak-legged punters and bad returners (still think his return teams this year are shit) but McPherson is good, our punter is great, and our coverage teams are good.

[J24]

(10-07-2024, 12:54 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: K, that's part of misses. EVERYONE misses and sometimes that miss is the snapper, sometimes it's the holder, sometimes it's the kicker, sometimes it's because it gets blocked. 90% is a made up fake number.

I've been openly critical of Darrin Simmons the last few years largely because he kept choosing shitty weak-legged punters and bad returners (still think his return teams this year are shit) but McPherson is good, our punter is great, and our coverage teams are good.

So the special  teams completely effs up their biggest play and were not allowed to mention it?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-07-2024, 01:08 PM)J24 Wrote: So the special  teams completely effs up their biggest play and were not allowed to mention it?

Where did I say you're not allowed to mention it? I just said don't make up 90% at 50+ being the norm and any misses at all being bad. The former is objectively and provably false and the latter I pointed out it's just an inevitable reality of kicking FGs at that distance.

Also ST's biggest play was the 66 yard punt that they downed at the 2.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-07-2024, 12:47 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: So since Marvin Lewis was a defensive coach all the years our offenses struggled wasn't on him? Or, is Zac the head coach and head coaches should take blame for both sides of the ball? Plus our offense has a few chances to ice the game and they couldn't. So where does the buck stop?

When he left Owen Daniel wide open all day in Houston, that was on him. No, I wouldn't put the offensive struggles on Marvin. Most of that was Bratkowski and then Paul Alexander (who Marvin was forced to have on his team). Then the front office (and you'll notice a trend here) royally effed him on the offensive line. 

Sure, the HC gets some blame, he should fire Lou. Fifty percent though? Nah. I'm sure Zac said "don't replace Reader, Awuzie, Bates, and Apple....also say you're not paying them so we can pay Tee and JaMarr....only ... don't really pay Tee, and let's piss JaMarr off and create a distraction heading into the season one year after we said we would and that's why we didn't go big on the d line." In fact, I agree with you now .....I can actually hear that conversation going down.

As to icing the game.....I mean ....they scored 38 on one of, if not THE best defense in the league. QB had 390+, 5 tuddies, and one pick. The pick was a back breaker, but it shouldn't have been.....if the defense could just get one lousy stop. One. Oh, Lamar tried to gift wrap it to them ....but they wouldn't take it. Simmons couldn't get his unit ready for the ***** kick, so they had to burn a timeout there (speaking of the front office saddling HCs with shit lifers ....but I digress) and may have thrown the whole operation out of whack. Adomitis is usually automatic. 

In summation....if he wasn't the one calling plays, an offense that's stacked together five pretty good games, I'd probably put a little more blame on him ....but even then, not fifty percent. I'd never have blamed Marvin for that much either with Mike Clown calling the shots. As far as the coaching goes, I'd have to lay more at Lou's feet, then Zac right behind him since Lou is his choice and he has stuck with him for going on two pretty bad years. But fifty percent of the failings? LoL. No. That's crazy talk.