Zac's Prevent Offense

[Soonerpeace]

(10-21-2024, 10:39 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: How about just letting your offense do what it does best, and make it a 28-6 lead? 

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[Soonerpeace]

(10-21-2024, 11:46 AM)casear2727 Wrote: I think moving the goal posts changes the entire argument though.  My beef is doing this with over 6 minutes left in the game, not under 4... totally different circumstances.  

Because they don’t burn their TO’s absolutely as in this case.

[casear2727]

(10-21-2024, 01:01 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Because they don’t burn their TO’s absolutely as in this case.

Gaining first downs could be just as effective.  You either trust your $55m QB or you dont.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-20-2024, 10:54 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: If we win a Super Bowl it will because the defense stepped up and we out talent the other teams offense.  Zac is a horrible X's and O's coach.

We definitely see that at times and then we see games where it is called really well on Offense. The 49ers and Bills games last year and 
the Commanders and Ravens games this year. Just would like to see the consistency and I agree with others that Zac has been way too 
conservative late in games this season.

As I always say, Zac is young and can learn.

[BengalsBong]

(10-21-2024, 01:11 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Gaining first downs could be just as effective.  You either trust your $55m QB or you dont.

I would trust Burrow and Chase or Tee over a rookie RB or Moss and a suspect blocking Oline.

Keep the game in your playmaker's hands Burrow can keep the clock moving specially with the short routes that Zac loves to call.

Two moving parts in Burrow and your 2 best WR compared to 6 or more guys needing to make blocks to bust a decent run.

Stick to what got you there the pass and run mixed together. Do not duck into your turtle shell and hope for a win. Go out and win the game with your play makers.

The Superbowl year we never took our foot off the gas pedal.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-21-2024, 01:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We definitely see that at times and then we see games where it is called really well on Offense. The 49ers and Bills games last year and 
the Commanders and Ravens games this year. Just would like to see the consistency and I agree with others that Zac has been way too 
conservative late in games this season.

As I always say, Zac is young and can learn.

I thought KC was fine too. 

[Soonerpeace]

(10-21-2024, 01:11 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Gaining first downs could be just as effective.  You either trust your $55m QB or you dont.

I’m discussing Sunday not historically. Are you? Sunday I completely approve hid decisions with 4 minutes and a 15 point lead

[casear2727]

(10-21-2024, 09:57 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Zac has become glued to analytics with a guy available on the headset to be ready for input. But we intercepted with 4:03 left with a 21-6 lead at the Cleveland 30. Already in FG range to seal the game. An 18 point lead under 4 minutes is the goal here as they burned all 3 timeouts. Seems strategic to me. Of course he misses. But still they have no timeouts. They have to score twice and make a 2 point conversion with no timeouts in under 4 minutes. This game he was right. McPherson not making the field goal was the only flaw here.

(10-21-2024, 01:59 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I’m discussing Sunday not historically. Are you? Sunday I completely approve hid decisions with 4 minutes and a 15 point lead

Again, the original post clearly stated "over 6 minutes", stop moving the goal posts to "under 4 minutes".  

[Joelist]

Zac's play calling across the entire game is frustrating but especially when he tries to "put away" a game. It's not just taking the ball out of Burrow's hands. It's our being in the gun WAY too much (especially after saying they were going to use more under center looks). It's being way too far out of whack on run-pass balance which hurts our line in run blocking because they don't get enough run snaps to get into any kind of groove. It's the utter lack of any disguises, plays against tendency or anything at all to scheme our players open. We just line up in the gun and hope our stars win their 1-1s.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-21-2024, 01:58 PM)Wyche Wrote: I thought KC was fine too. 

Thought so as well. There are times where Zac calls plays very well so there is hope.

(10-21-2024, 02:39 PM)Joelist Wrote: Zac's play calling across the entire game is frustrating but especially when he tries to "put away" a game. It's not just taking the ball out of Burrow's hands. It's our being in the gun WAY too much (especially after saying they were going to use more under center looks). It's being way too far out of whack on run-pass balance which hurts our line in run blocking because they don't get enough run snaps to get into any kind of groove. It's the utter lack of any disguises, plays against tendency or anything at all to scheme our players open. We just line up in the gun and hope our stars win their 1-1s.

Well said, we need much more under Center play from Burrow. We do this and spread the ball around more and this Offense could be 
unstoppable honestly. The OL is much better this year as long as Cappa and Volson get consistent. The Tackles and Karras have played
very well and Chase Brown is extremely explosive and Erick All has added a physical element that I love.

[Frank Booth]

(10-21-2024, 03:47 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thought so as well. There are times where Zac calls plays very well so there is hope.


Well said, we need much more under Center play from Burrow. We do this and spread the ball around more and this Offense could be 
unstoppable honestly. The OL is much better this year as long as Cappa and Volson get consistent. The Tackles and Karras have played
very well and Chase Brown is extremely explosive and Erick All has added a physical element that I love.

Cappa and Volson are a bottom tier guard duo when it comes to true pass blocking sets. And really, that’s mainly on Volson

Can we stop the love affair with Volson?

https://x.com/GridironGrading/status/1846582923870261323

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-21-2024, 03:58 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Cappa and Volson are a bottom tier guard duo when it comes to true pass blocking sets. And really, that’s mainly on Volson

Can we stop the love affair with Volson?

https://x.com/GridironGrading/status/1846582923870261323

There is no love affair with Volson. When he sucks he sucks and we all call him out. You are correct these guys are the problem on the OL right now.

[TecmoBengals]

(10-21-2024, 03:58 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Can we stop the love affair with Volson?

There are many posts where people show no love for Volson. I don't think any player or coach is 100% safe from criticism on this board. Not even The Almighty Joey B.

[HarleyDog]

(10-21-2024, 04:00 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: There is no love affair with Volson. When he sucks he sucks and we all call him out. You are correct these guys are the problem on the OL right now.

We must hold them accountable, even though Zac doesn't. I'm pretty disappointed with Zac right now. His play calling has been bad. 

[Frank Booth]

(10-21-2024, 05:37 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: There are many posts where people show no love for Volson. I don't think any player or coach is 100% safe from criticism on this board. Not even The Almighty Joey B.

Many posters here are Volson fans. Many. And they always say stuff like

“Volson is headed in the right direction” after he has a good game. But Volson inevitably falls back into bad/mediocre, and these people just stay silent on the matter, or they just lie to themselves and say “he was good, idk what the advanced metrics are looking at”

It’s all the time, man

[sandwedge]

I agree with Burrow, they hang 30 some points on teams back-to-back and lose, score 20 some points a game in the last 2 weeks and win, what do you want? I'd like to go and throw 48 on the scoreboard every week, but this is the NFL, everyone gets paid to do their job.

[ERIC1]

(10-20-2024, 05:25 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Over 6 minutes left in the game and his goal is to run out the clock....  His lack of faith in Burrow and the best WR duo in the NFL is maddening.  

Always take a win, but the offense has not looked great in back-to-back weeks, along with Zac's annoying philosophy.

we were ahead,,defense was playing lights out..we were facing one of the top passing defnses in the league..many good coaches would have done the same..run run

[ERIC1]

(10-20-2024, 05:26 PM)Whacked Wrote: Preach.

Worst coach in the NFL

Dude is lost.

Who Dey for the win though.

same coach that has taken the team to the superbowl, afc championship and conference championship 2 outta the last three years?  and who knows what would have happened last year if burrow stayed healthy

[ERIC1]

(10-20-2024, 06:39 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: You gotta wonder sometimes, "what if we had belichick?"

I bet we'd be awesome.  Serious coaching problem here

Bill was mediocre his last five years and this is why nobody hired him...

[ERIC1]

(10-20-2024, 08:24 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Really?  Trying to run out the clock almost half way through the 4th Qtr with a 2 score lead?  No. We went 100% run a bit too early. IMO.

2 score lead..opposing starting quarterback knocked out of the game...our defense playing lights out..facing one of the best passing defenses in the league.....we won the game dude