Possible Zac Taylor replacements

[Millhouse]

(12-02-2024, 01:03 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: What coaches win with sucky QB's?

Burrow would be his Brady here. IF the Bengals had an even average defense, they'd probably be 10-2 or 9-3 right now. Certainly no worse than 8-4.

His teams schemed and game planned at an elite level. We don't have that here.

I don't know what our defensive scheme is. We give up short throws that turn into long throws. We get beat deep in single coverage. And the middle of the field is wide open.

He once had receivers play at defensive back when injuries mounted up, and they actually did their jobs serviceably lol.

[ERIC1]

(12-02-2024, 01:15 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Zero chance Belichick comes to Cincy in any way. I mean to be honest. the Cincy franchise is beneath him with how they run things unless they do a 180 in giving him complete power which won't happen.

Now Rex Ryan on the other hand, he would be my frontrunner of a choice to be HC and turn defense around. He would demand some changes needing made I am sure, but he wants to be head coach again and he would have a MVP caliber QB in his prime. Anyways just my two cents.

Belechick  set NE back a decade..he was marginal at best without Brady..actually not good...Why in the heck would you want Rex Ryan..he only had one winning season as a head coach ..he was not any good and his .457 record clearly shows this..but he is a handsome and articulate broadcaster

[ERIC1]

(12-02-2024, 01:17 PM)Millhouse Wrote: He once had receivers play at defensive back when injuries mounted up, and they actually did their jobs serviceably lol.

His teams his last years wiythout brady were bad on both sides of the ball and his miserable drafting set that franchise back a decade

[Millhouse]

(12-02-2024, 01:19 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Belechick  set NE back a decade..he was marginal at best without Brady..actually not good...Why in the heck would you want Rex Ryan..he only had one winning season as a head coach ..he was not any good and his .457 record clearly shows this..but he is a handsome and articulate broadcaster

  

[higgy100]

(12-02-2024, 12:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Most know I think Zac is doing well both as HC and play caller, but recent "executive" decisions has me questioning if he has any power in those decisions.

The season started on a sour note by the way the handled the JC contract situation. It can be debated whether or not they should have signed him, but they damn sure should have been more assertive when JC was screwing them this off season.

There is absolutely no way Lou A. should be retained as DC, he should have been sent packing after the Was. loss.

There's even less reason that Pollack should still be oline coach. EVERY oline we've picked up in FA has gotten worse and we've hit on 0 draft picks (Mims does look promising).

IF Zac is pushing for status quo then he needs to go with the rest of them. I do think there will be a huge shakeup this Off-season, but Zac will remain.

Can't even agree with this especially at very important parts of games.I've seen waaay too many times (yesterday included) this cat goes away from the run especially inside opponents territory. Every 3rd/4th and short he goes for the gusto with crazy, deep timing fade patterns when they simply need 2-3 yards max. in 2 downs. It's happened for years.He never goes into short yardage saying we have 2 downs to get 2-3 yards and this is when they're gaining momentum the few times running the ball.

Can't forgive him for having the ball 3x in Baltimore within the Ravens 40 yard line and coming away with not even a FG attempt let alone any points. 3X run out of downs with crazy deep fade patterns.

I can't excuse him for the home game against the Ravens and running it 3 times into the gut in OT and settling for a 52 yarder.

I can't forgive him just a couple years ago on a sunday night game in Baltimore when they're gashing the ball down their throats running the ball and they try a stupid double reverse inside the 5 yard line for a massive loss of yards. All of this is just against one freaking team for crying out loud.

[TecmoBengals]

If Taylor were let go, let's be honest and acknowledge his replacement is likely a little-known to fans QB coach or an assistant offensive coordinator from another team. The next rounds of candidates doesn't comprise a hot commodity coordinator like a Ben Johnson from Detroit.

[*Synric*]

(12-02-2024, 01:16 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Bill is not coming in as a "defensive guy" and by the way NEs defense also stunk his last few years there ..players he was responsible for drafting

No? They were 11th and 2022 and dropped to 15th in 2023. That's pretty damn solid with one of the worst offenses in the NFL.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-02-2024, 01:19 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Belechick  set NE back a decade..he was marginal at best without Brady..actually not good...Why in the heck would you want Rex Ryan..he only had one winning season as a head coach ..he was not any good and his .457 record clearly shows this..but he is a handsome and articulate broadcaster

Man you’re wrong A LOT lately. Ryan literally went to back-to-back AFC Championship games his first 2 seasons. With Mark Sanchez at QB.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(12-02-2024, 01:46 PM)higgy100 Wrote: Can't even agree with this especially at very important parts of games.I've seen waaay too many times (yesterday included) this cat goes away from the run especially inside opponents territory. Every 3rd/4th and short he goes for the gusto with crazy, deep timing fade patterns when they simply need 2-3 yards max. in 2 downs. It's happened for years.He never goes into short yardage saying we have 2 downs to get 2-3 yards and this is when they're gaining momentum the few times running the ball.

Can't forgive him for having the ball 3x in Baltimore within the Ravens 40 yard line and coming away with not even a FG attempt let alone any points. 3X run out of downs with crazy deep fade patterns.

I can't excuse him for the home game against the Ravens and running it 3 times into the gut in OT and settling for a 52 yarder.

I can't forgive him just a couple years ago on a sunday night game in Baltimore when they're gashing the ball down their throats running the ball and they try a stupid double reverse inside the 5 yard line for a massive loss of yards. All of this is just against one freaking team for crying out loud.

Well said Higgy. 

If Zac sticks around he needs to step back from calling the plays. It seems it is always at the wrong time that we go away from the run and 
he uses plays where the odds are very bad in getting first downs, let alone TD's. Like you say, the crazy deep fades and reverses.

We were running the ball well against the stealers and just went away from it as usual acting like we were down 3 TD's when we were only 
down 3 at halftime and got a blocked FG out of Ossai. Herbert also had a nice run early and shown why I liked the pickup and then we go 
away from him like always. Zac is allergic to success. He just doesn't have a knack for timing in play calling.

Burrow and Chase carry him sad to say. Some of this is on Burrow though, he loves the Shotgun and as far as I saw didn't go under Center 
once yesterday.

(12-02-2024, 02:03 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: If Taylor were let go, let's be honest and acknowledge his replacement is likely a little-known to fans QB coach or an assistant offensive coordinator from another team. The next rounds of candidates doesn't comprise a hot commodity coordinator like a Ben Johnson from Detroit.

Probably right. Ben Johnson is going to be a HC and has said something about wanting total control, we all know Vrabel or Belichick want 
the same. We are most likely going to keep Zac, I just hope we replace Lou and the trench coaches so we have a shot at change for the 
good on Defense. Cannot get any worse, this was historically bad under Lou.

[TecmoBengals]

(12-02-2024, 02:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Probably right. Ben Johnson is going to be a HC and has said something about wanting total control, we all know Vrabel or Belichick want 
the same. We are most likely going to keep Zac, I just hope we replace Lou and the trench coaches so we have a shot at change for the 
good on Defense. Cannot get any worse, this was historically bad under Lou.

I had hope Lou would be let go today, but it's nearing 12:30 pm so it appears he's keeping his job for now.

[sandwedge]

(12-02-2024, 01:46 PM)higgy100 Wrote: Can't even agree with this especially at very important parts of games.I've seen waaay too many times (yesterday included) this cat goes away from the run especially inside opponents territory. Every 3rd/4th and short he goes for the gusto with crazy, deep timing fade patterns when they simply need 2-3 yards max. in 2 downs. It's happened for years.He never goes into short yardage saying we have 2 downs to get 2-3 yards and this is when they're gaining momentum the few times running the ball.

Can't forgive him for having the ball 3x in Baltimore within the Ravens 40 yard line and coming away with not even a FG attempt let alone any points. 3X run out of downs with crazy deep fade patterns.

I can't excuse him for the home game against the Ravens and running it 3 times into the gut in OT and settling for a 52 yarder.

I can't forgive him just a couple years ago on a sunday night game in Baltimore when they're gashing the ball down their throats running the ball and they try a stupid double reverse inside the 5 yard line for a massive loss of yards. All of this is just against one freaking team for crying out loud.

A couple of years ago, it was "quit forcing the run and put the ball in Joe and the WRs hands", now it is run the ball on short yardage......

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(12-02-2024, 02:28 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: I had hope Lou would be let go today, but it's nearing 12:30 pm so it appears he's keeping his job for now.

Yes, very disappointing. Just continues for us it seems with this FO that don't run things like others and it really shows in this rough season.

Bettcher the LB coach has done a terrible job with the Linebackers this year, but he actually has a better resume' than Lou had to be a DC 
before we hired him.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(12-02-2024, 02:31 PM)sandwedge Wrote: A couple of years ago, it was "quit forcing the run and put the ball in Joe and the WRs hands", now it is run the ball on short yardage......

I bet that was only when the running game was terrible. It isn't terrible right now and it wasn't terrible yesterday. Chase Brown and Herbert
both had big runs against those stealer bastids. Man, would I love it to someday to just run it down their throat at will, but that will probably 
never happen with Zac calling plays even if our RB's are running all over them.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(12-02-2024, 02:03 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: If Taylor were let go, let's be honest and acknowledge his replacement is likely a little-known to fans QB coach or an assistant offensive coordinator from another team. The next rounds of candidates doesn't comprise a hot commodity coordinator like a Ben Johnson from Detroit.

If Taylor was sent packing, the classic Bengals move would be to promote Lou to HC...

[Bengalfan4life27c]

It would never happen but the ideal replacement for Taylor would be Deion Sanders he could assemble an all star staff and move the organization more towards the modern NFL. He has over achieved both places he has coached at so far.

[THE PISTONS]

(12-02-2024, 02:34 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes, very disappointing. Just continues for us it seems with this FO that don't run things like others and it really shows in this rough season.

Bettcher the LB coach has done a terrible job with the Linebackers this year, but he actually has a better resume' than Lou had to be a DC 
before we hired him.

They got turned down by a lot of DC's didn't they? I think the Saints HC that got fired may have been one of them.

[THE PISTONS]

(12-02-2024, 02:37 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: If Taylor was sent packing, the classic Bengals move would be to promote Lou to HC...

With the offensive ranking, I think Taylor is safe. Not saying he should be.

Which is ironic, because I think most of the board thinks he's a bad OC. Burrow makes him look good.

[THE PISTONS]

(12-02-2024, 03:53 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: It would never happen but the ideal replacement for Taylor would be Deion Sanders he could assemble an all star staff and move the organization more towards the modern NFL. He has over achieved both places he has coached at so far.

Could you imagine Deion working with the Brown family?

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(12-02-2024, 03:53 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: It would never happen but the ideal replacement for Taylor would be Deion Sanders he could assemble an all star staff and move the organization more towards the modern NFL. He has over achieved both places he has coached at so far.

Deion still ignores the trenches and goes after elite talent to get him by. His teams get ran over big time.

(12-02-2024, 03:55 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: They got turned down by a lot of DC's didn't they? I think the Saints HC that got fired may have been one of them.

Yep, I remember we brought in one guy I liked.

(12-02-2024, 03:57 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Could you imagine Deion working with the Brown family?

Cannot see it, at all.

[THE PISTONS]

I honestly think now might be the perfect time for Belicheck. So he normally wouldn't come here. And the Bengals likely would never want a coach that wanted that much control.

But, I think both sides might be desperate to win. And Belicheck comes for Burrow.

You get a coach in here that can teach defense and that has all his SB's and these guys might respond well.