The bengals could fix this team this off-season with a little creativity!

[higgy100]

(10 hours ago)WeezyBengal Wrote: This is pretty much spot on. It may be an unpopular take, but I'd cut Pratt as well. His lack of effort at times this year has really bothered me. He also seems like he's lost a step. 

The FA guard market is rich. They can most likely sign a couple good veterans for a decent price. 

I'd spend on a tier 1 DT and a solid edge, then take best defensive player available in round 1 of the draft - hopefully its a plug and play starter. 

Which, ironically, is exactly why they won't sign one of them.

[Bengalfan4life27c]

Ive been in the let Tee walk camp but if Burrow wants him give Burrow what he wants. Taylor has 2 game winning streak with Jamarr TEE and Joe as captains

[GodFather]

"I'd rather be more creative spending that money on myself"
-Mike Brown

[pulses]

(Yesterday, 10:50 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Agree

In fact I'd rather get two FA vet guards, decent ones.

Teven jenkins and James Daniels

[Frank Booth]

(9 hours ago)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Give Aaron Rodgers what he wants. He just beat the Jaguars. Him and Davante can be future co-captains

same energy

[Luvnit2]

(10 hours ago)WeezyBengal Wrote: This is pretty much spot on. It may be an unpopular take, but I'd cut Pratt as well. His lack of effort at times this year has really bothered me. He also seems like he's lost a step. 

The FA guard market is rich. They can most likely sign a couple good veterans for a decent price. 

I'd spend on a tier 1 DT and a solid edge, then take best defensive player available in round 1 of the draft - hopefully its a plug and play starter. 

Pratt has been solid in the past. How much of his decline is due to poor DL play and I believe he is playing more snaps especially since Wilson went down. I think our LB and our secondary would get better with better DL play against the run and the pass.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 01:24 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Having to depend on 2 rookie guards to start would be a dicey proposition. I’d rather see them bring in at least one FA and draft another.

Also, no way they cut Logan Wilson.

Spot on with both points Nicomo. Bring in a vet Guard and draft one early. Logan was hurt a lot of this season before the bad injury.

Pratt has no excuses for his poor play though, he was terrible late against the Titans. Tyjae Spears made him look really bad.

Wanted Spears in that Draft and he shown why.

[kalibengal]

(Yesterday, 10:51 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: And if the fix the Dline the LBers almost automatically become better.

I think I saw Dre Geenlaw is a FA next yr?  He could be a Roquon Smith esque  type of signing for us 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(9 hours ago)pulses Wrote: Teven jenkins and James Daniels

That would be an awesome FA right there.

[kalibengal]

(8 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Spot on with both points Nicomo. Bring in a vet Guard and draft one early. Logan was hurt a lot of this season before the bad injury.

Pratt has no excuses for his poor play though, he was terrible late against the Titans. Tyjae Spears made him look really bad.

Wanted Spears in that Draft and he shown why.

but can we use the Chiefs, Browns, Lions, Rams, Steelers or Ravens scouts to pick thee guys?

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(8 hours ago)kalibengal Wrote: but can we use the Chiefs, Browns, Lions, Rams, Steelers or Ravens scouts to pick thee guys?

Sure wish we would bring in a few more scouts that knew their ass from a hole in the ground alright....

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 02:22 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree, we do need to shed cap dollars to free up both cash and cap space. But I don't agree to draft rookies to plug and play in 2025.

Here are my cuts:


Sheldon Rankins
$7,450,000 $2,000,000 $0 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $50,000 $0 $0 $11,500,000
$2,000,000 - Dead Money
$9,500,000 - Cap and Cash savings 2025
Sam Hubbard
$9,000,000 $2,000,000 $0 $0 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $0 $11,600,000
$2,000,000 - Dead Money
$9,600,000 - Cap and Cash savings 2025

Alex Cappa
$7,000,000 $2,250,000 $0 $0 $500,000 $500,000 $0 $0 $10,250,000
$2,250,000 - Dead Money
$8,000,000 - Cap and Cash savings 2025[

Zack Moss
$3,075,000 $1,500,000 $0 $0 $300,000 $100,000 $0 $0 $4,975,000
$1,500,000 - Dead Money
$3,475,000 - Cap and Cash savings 2025

Stone is also a possibly, but only if we have great FA safety in our sites or he goes back to playing poorly

This would add almost $30.5 million cap dollars for 2025.

If Stone is cut, and additional 6.5 million to partially pay for a stud safety in FA if one is available.

Fans hate on Volson, but he is paid low back up money, a little over 1.2 mullion, sign a guard and make him a backup.

We would need plug and play vets at WR2 (Higgins), Both guards (FA), DT (2) as Hill is a FA DE, RB and CB. We are too good on offense to not shore up our defense with FA vets.

Then, use the draft for high potential starters by end of 2025 or in 2026.

Those cuts + a Burrow restructure (+$19 mil) would put us over $110 mil in space. 

Minus:
Chase extension = +9 mil 
Higgins cap hit extension +22 mil 
BJ Hill signing = $10 mil
Stud FA guard = $20 mil
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That's $61 mil. $110-$61 = $49 mil. 

That $49 has to vover the PS ($4 mil) and our draft pool (say around $7 mil). So down to $38. And Mikey will never spend right to the cap. So say $30. 

42 guys signed - 4 cuts + 6 picks + Tee, BJ, and stud guard. That's 47. 49 once Adomitis & Rehkow (or similar $1 mil men) are signed..

So say $28 mil for FA's who are above vet min level pay. Vet min guys like Ford & Hudson don't count, they guy they are displacing makes justcas much. 

Quibble with my estimates all you want. They ain't THAT far off. I don't think I made a math error. Only Hilton, Gesicki, ADG, and maybe Trent Brown will command much in FA of our guys. Maybe Herbert or Ossai? 

We could cut a bit more (Stone & Pratt) as well. 

Some of the strong FA guards are coming off injury. Daniels tore his Achilles. Fries broke his tibia, badly. Zeitler is 34. I doubt those are $20 mil guys. Smith & Jenkins are healthy. 

My point is, I don't friggin' buy, for a second, this idiotic idea that we cannot afford Tee & Chase. We can, and buy big in FA at the same time. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(11 hours ago)sandwedge Wrote: Not sure where he ranks, but he has been one of the better ones the last 3 years or so.
Definitely, our best LB in the last 30 years

Idk about “definitely.” Prime Burfict was a Pro Bowler.

[t3r3e3]

(Yesterday, 12:10 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: we keep talking about  end results "final product"...year in year out...They should get a GM and 6 more scouts

B-I-N-G-O

If they sign a FA guard James Daniels would be nice.

[HarleyDog]

But they wont.

[schroomytunes]

(6 hours ago)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Those cuts + a Burrow restructure (+$19 mil) would put us over $110 mil in space. 

Minus:
Chase extension = +9 mil 
Higgins cap hit extension +22 mil 
BJ Hill signing = $10 mil
Stud FA guard = $20 mil
-----------------
That's $61 mil. $110-$61 = $49 mil. 

That $49 has to vover the PS ($4 mil) and our draft pool (say around $7 mil). So down to $38. And Mikey will never spend right to the cap. So say $30. 

42 guys signed - 4 cuts + 6 picks + Tee, BJ, and stud guard. That's 47. 49 once Adomitis & Rehkow (or similar $1 mil men) are signed..

So say $28 mil for FA's who are above vet min level pay. Vet min guys like Ford & Hudson don't count, they guy they are displacing makes justcas much. 

Quibble with my estimates all you want. They ain't THAT far off. I don't think I made a math error. Only Hilton, Gesicki, ADG, and maybe Trent Brown will command much in FA of our guys. Maybe Herbert or Ossai? 

We could cut a bit more (Stone & Pratt) as well. 

Some of the strong FA guards are coming off injury. Daniels tore his Achilles. Fries broke his tibia, badly. Zeitler is 34. I doubt those are $20 mil guys. Smith & Jenkins are healthy. 

My point is, I don't friggin' buy, for a second, this idiotic idea that we cannot afford Tee & Chase. We can, and buy big in FA at the same time. 

Regarding cuts: I agree with these ones:

1) Hubbard
2) Rankins
3) Cappa
4) Moss
5) Restructure Joe's contract.

-Thats 30 million in cap savings not counting a restructure. that's enough to get 3 solid players in FA:

1) Tevan Jenkins ( Guard)
2) Chase Young ( DE) 
3) Camryn Bynum (S)

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 10:51 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: And if the fix the Dline the LBers almost automatically become better.

DL is to LBers, as OL is to RBs and QBs.

Everything in Football begins with OL and DL. 

[*bfine32*]

(11 hours ago)sandwedge Wrote: Not sure where he ranks, but he has been one of the better ones the last 3 years or so.
Definitely, our best LB in the last 30 years

[SunsetBengal]

(8 hours ago)kalibengal Wrote: I think I saw Dre Geenlaw is a FA next yr?  He could be a Roquon Smith esque  type of signing for us 

He quit on them, he'll quit on us...

[pulses]

(8 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Pratt has been solid in the past. How much of his decline is due to poor DL play and I believe he is playing more snaps especially since Wilson went down. I think our LB and our secondary would get better with better DL play against the run and the pass.

Our LB's outside of Wilson has been mediocre at best the last few years. We need more SPEED and someone who can rush the passer from that position.