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[c766]

Speaking of old Coordinators.

Booger was on Pardon My take Wednesday, talking about any games he knew from the start they were going to destroy their opponent.

He said, only one. 2006 MNF. Benagls at Colts (Palmer/Manning). The colts humiliated the benagals and McFarland said the reason was identified 4 plays into the game.

Bob Bratkoski as OC.

Palmer would yell 'California' at the line to signal any pass play (West Coast Offense) and 'Jersey' if it was a run (Non west coast).

What a coordinator he was.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 06:04 PM)c766 Wrote: Speaking of old Coordinators.

Booger was on Pardon My take Wednesday, talking about any games he knew from the start they were going to destroy their opponent.

He said, only one. 2006 MNF. Benagls at Colts (Palmer/Manning).   The colts humiliated the benagals and McFarland said the reason was identified 4 plays into the game.

Bob Bratkoski as OC.  

Palmer would yell 'California' at the line to signal any pass play (West Coast Offense) and 'Jersey' if it was a run (Non west coast).

What a coordinator he was.

I remember that game. Peyton looked pissed off before the game even started and I knew we were going to get beat down.

Yeah, Brat was terrible. Never liked Bresnahan in those days either on the defensive side of the ball...

[J24]

(Yesterday, 06:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, but they aren't good at it like Watt and Highsmith are. Trey likes his hand on the ground in a 4-3 and you need a true Nose Tackle like
Heyward to take up multiple OL to run a 3-4. We don't have this until a guy like McKinnley Jackson grows into one. I am not against being in 
the 3-4 at times if it causes confusion for Offenses but a 5-2 and a 3-4 are way different. You have 3 DT's in the middle usually in a 5-2.

You mean a NT like Reader?

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 06:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, but they aren't good at it like Watt and Highsmith are. Trey likes his hand on the ground in a 4-3 and you need a true Nose Tackle like
Heyward to take up multiple OL to run a 3-4. We don't have this until a guy like McKinnley Jackson grows into one. I am not against being in 
the 3-4 at times if it causes confusion for Offenses but a 5-2 and a 3-4 are way different. You have 3 DT's in the middle usually in a 5-2.

Cam doesn't play nose for the Steelers, Keeanu Benton does. Heyward plays RE and Ogunjobi plays LE. McKinnley Jackson will be a fine NT in an odd front, BJ Hill would make a fine LE, now we just need a monster like Deone Walker to play that RE position.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 06:11 PM)J24 Wrote: You mean a NT like Reader?

Yeah, like Reader, but McKinnley sure isn't there yet...

(Yesterday, 06:16 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Cam doesn't play nose for the Steelers, Keeanu Benton does. Heyward plays RE and Ogunjobi plays LE. McKinnley Jackson will be a fine NT in an odd front, BJ Hill would make a fine LE, now we just need a monster like Deone Walker to play that RE position.

My bad. Wanted us to draft Benton as well. Yes, we need another stud to play RE in a 3-4. Kris Jenkins could be this guy eventually.

I just don't think we are as close as J24 says to playing a 3-4.

[*bfine32*]

(Yesterday, 03:16 PM)Sled21 Wrote: So a lot of talk about who we want as a DC, I don't hear many names being mentioned for OL coach.

I've mentioned Corey Matthaei (KC) as a member of my "wish list". He's spent his whole career learning from Andy Reid and Andy Heck.

Let him come and bring Trey Smith with him 

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 06:24 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, like Reader, but McKinnley sure isn't there yet...


My bad. Wanted us to draft Benton as well. Yes, we need another stud to play RE in a 3-4. Kris Jenkins could be this guy eventually.

I just don't think we are as close as J24 says to playing a 3-4.

Jenkins to rotate with Hill and/or Jackson, but you're right we don't have the interior personnel to make a true 3-4 feasible right now. Would take some cuts/signings from free agency and some very good luck in the draft to make that happen.

[jj22]

Rewatching Jackson snaps and he flashed  and should have a good future, but he was on the ground a lot. Hopefully coaches work on his balance. 

I've always preferred the 3-4 Defense. But nowadays it doesn't really matter the way they mix up fronts. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 06:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've mentioned Corey Matthaei (KC) as a member of my "wish list". He's spent his whole career learning from Andy reis and Andy Heck.

Let him come and bring Trey Smith with him 

That is a good one, would love to steal that guy and Trey Smith from them Chiefs...

(Yesterday, 06:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Jenkins to rotate with Hill and/or Jackson, but you're right we don't have the interior personnel to make a true 3-4 feasible right now. Would take some cuts/signings from free agency and some very good luck in the draft to make that happen.

Yep, gotta make some big moves for it to be possible. 

(Yesterday, 06:33 PM)jj22 Wrote: Rewatching Jackson snaps and he flashed  and should have a good future, but he was on the ground a lot. Hopefully coaches work on his balance. 

I've always preferred the 3-4 Defense. But nowadays it doesn't really matter the way they mix up fronts. 

Yes, McKinnley is actually great athlete and it shows on the field if he can just slow down and get his balance right. He has the tools.

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 06:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes, McKinnley is actually great athlete and it shows on the field if he can just slow down and get his balance right. He has the tools.

Great athlete and has a little of the attitude people pointed out we needed more of on D. It may get him in some trouble (it didn't), but he definitely played through the echo of the whistle and was good for ending the snap with a little nudge or shoulder check on the nearest opposing player.

I like what I saw by the end of the year. A health camp and preseason and he may end up better than Jenkins. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 06:44 PM)jj22 Wrote: Great athlete and has a little of the attitude people pointed out we needed more of on D. It may get him in some trouble (it didn't), but he definitely played through the echo of the whistle and was good for ending the snap with a little nudge or shoulder check on the nearest opposing player.

I like what I saw by the end of the year. A health camp and preseason and he may end up better than Jenkins. 

For sure he has a little nastiness to him. Agree, I wanted McKinnley Jackson more than Sweat in that Draft and was ecstatic when we got him.

More than Kris Jenkins even though he could be a good 3-tech. Just think McKinnley has the size, strength, athleticism and mean streak to be our 
future Nose Tackle. But he ain't there yet and you have to have a sure thing if you are going to play a 3-4 a lot of the time.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 06:50 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: For sure he has a little nastiness to him. Agree, I wanted McKinnley Jackson more than Sweat in that Draft and was ecstatic when we got him.

More than Kris Jenkins even though he could be a good 3-tech. Just think McKinnley has the size, strength, athleticism and mean streak to be our 
future Nose Tackle. But he ain't there yet and you have to have a sure thing if you are going to play a 3-4 a lot of the time.

I think that at his floor he'll at least be similar to Domata Peko, and that isn't a bad thing. If he keeps his weight under control and focuses on athleticism, who knows what his ceiling may be.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 06:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, but they aren't good at it like Watt and Highsmith are. Trey likes his hand on the ground in a 4-3 and you need a true Nose Tackle like
Heyward to take up multiple OL to run a 3-4. We don't have this until a guy like McKinnley Jackson grows into one. I am not against being in 
the 3-4 at times if it causes confusion for Offenses but a 5-2 and a 3-4 are way different. You have 3 DT's in the middle usually in a 5-2.

I thought Heyward has always been a 3-4 DE?

Steelers depth chart has Keeanu Benton as the NT with Heyward and Ogunjobi on opposite sides, then Watt and Highsmith as the 3-4 OLBs.

[*ochocincos*]

What's the potentially better starting DT group if they draft a guy in the 1st round:
3T - Jenkins
1T - Kenneth Grant

3T - Walter Nolen
1T - Jackson/Jenkins

I feel like first option may be better run defense, but second option better pass rush.
Although that may be primarily because I don't like Jenkins as a pass rusher.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 06:57 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I think that at his floor he'll at least be similar to Domata Peko, and that isn't a bad thing. If he keeps his weight under control and focuses on athleticism, who knows what his ceiling may be.

Already think McKinnley is a better pass rusher than Domata, but Domata was a great run stopper. Was a little surprised watching McKinnley
getting as many pressures as he did as a rookie. Didn't really think of him as a pass rusher much at all. But you are right, he has high upside 
and it shown even as a rookie. We should know much more this season what he has.

(Yesterday, 06:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I thought Heyward has always been a 3-4 DE?

Steelers depth chart has Keeanu Benton as the NT with Heyward and Ogunjobi on opposite sides, then Watt and Highsmith as the 3-4 OLBs.

Yeah, Sunset already set me straight on Heyward being and End and Benton being the NT for the stealers.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 07:02 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What's the potentially better starting DT group if they draft a guy in the 1st round:
3T - Jenkins
1T - Kenneth Grant

3T - Walter Nolen
1T - Jackson/Jenkins

I feel like first option may be better run defense, but second option better pass rush.
Although that may be primarily because I don't like Jenkins as a pass rusher.

I like Walter Nolen a lot from watching Ole Miss last season. I don't see Kris Jenkins as a 1-tech, but hey, he is the freak, he could gain an 
extra 15 pounds for all we know and be one. Nothing against Grant, would be happy with him but I like the one with Nolen at 3-tech better.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 07:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Already think McKinnley is a better pass rusher than Domata, but Domata was a great run stopper. Was a little surprised watching McKinnley
getting as many pressures as he did as a rookie. Didn't really think of him as a pass rusher much at all. But you are right, he has high upside 
and it shown even as a rookie. We should know much more this season what he has.

The key will be in how he handled himself in his first professional offseason. Some will take a month or so off, then get right back to work with their personal trainer. Others will sit around and get fat. If he shows up to OTAs around 350#, we'll know the answer.

[007BengalsFan]

McKinnley Jackson shows some hustle out there for a big guy. There were several times where he is was chasing after the QB or RB and he looked fast for a big guy. I thought he played good especially when you consider missing a lot of training camp due to injury and starting the season on the IR. Hope to see him take another step forward this next season.

[M.W.]

I should have used    my bad.    No Burfict.


I am just happy a lot of our really bad coaching staff were finally fired.

Now - cheapest guys available please step to the front of the line!

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 08:05 PM)M.W. Wrote: I should have used    my bad.    No Burfict.


I am just happy a lot of our really bad coaching staff were finally fired.

Now - cheapest guys available please step to the front of the line!

Does Burfict have a son? I'd love to have a guy with that sort of intensity back on the team.