Anyone have any news on Erick All’s rehab?

[Whatever]

(01-28-2025, 09:02 PM)Nepa Wrote: Can't see Tyler Warren falling all the way to 17. But he would be perfect for the Bengals, because he can also block well for the RBs and protect Burrow and catch passes and run out of the backfield (and even throw passes!) I'd love for the Bengals to get a complete TE and not worry about the position from year to year. But maybe there's another passable TE option in later rounds.

Warren may slide more than people think.  He's 24 years old, which is old for an NFL draft pick.  Plus, there is debate between whether he or Colston Loveland is TE1 in this class.  Warren is a better blocker and has wildcat flexibility while Loveland is a better receiving prospect and is 4 years younger.  

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 01:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yep agreed.

If McLachlan ends up being in the mix in any way, Bengals need to add 1 TE this offseason.
If Bengals aren't too keen yet whether McLachlan is good enough to make the roster, they need to add 2 TEs instead.

In my head, I'd love to re-sign Gesicki but also add Tyler Warren.
In a more realistic state of mind though, I'd love to add Warren or Loveland if Gesicki doesn't re-sign. If Gesicki does re-sign, I'd still potentially look for another TE on Day 3 to compete with Gandy/McLachlan.

Ocho, it seems that the strength of this year's draft is interior DL and CB ( and maybe edge) in top-50 - which mirrors our defensive needs. I could see us going DT and CB with the first two picks.

I agree that we need at least a move TE, but ideally to your point, a complete TE would be best. But I am not sure Warren would be in play, unless he falls into late day 2.

I think Mason Taylor may be more realistic in round 3, with the second choice being Gunnar Helm. But a complete TE like Taylor will be gone early round 2, if not late round 1.

EDIT:
If Pitts can be acquired with a mid Day 3 pick and signed to a 5 year deal, I would want him over any other option. Still needing a Taylor type of a complete TE to develop. 

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 02:08 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Ocho, it seems that the strength of this year's draft is interior DL and CB ( and maybe edge) in top-50 - which mirrors our defensive needs. I could see us going DT and CB with the first two picks.

I agree that we need at least a move TE, but ideally to your point, a complete TE would be best. But I am not sure Warren would be in play, unless he falls into late day 2.

I think Mason Taylor may be more realistic in round 3, with the second choice being Gunnar Helm. But a complete TE like Taylor will be gone early round 2, if not late round 1.

EDIT:
If Pitts can be acquired with a mid Day 3 pick and signed to a 5 year deal, I would want him over any other option. Still needing a Taylor type of a complete TE to develop. 

DL and DB feels like the logical way to go early in this upcoming draft, depending on what they do in FA.
OG needs 2 new dudes though, and they need a new WR and/or TE depending on what happens with Higgins and Gesicki.

I wonder how the new coaches will affect the draft decisions.
Can't imagine they can get much worse from a development of drafted talent perspective than Pollack and Hobby though.

[Frank Booth]

another swing and a miss

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(01-28-2025, 08:11 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Nate, signing Cam Gandy last week was a signal that there were issues with All recovery. 

All was the complete TE that we were hoping for, and he was blocking really well and his route tree was expanding. It is not a surprise to see him injure the same knee running a route. I think he planted to make a cut.

Offensive positions which require planting and cutting suddenly (RB and Pass catchers) have the greatest challenge in coming back from ACLs. 

So when he comes back, I'm afraid he will be one dimensional, or very limited route tree. 

Probably correct XsandOs. Sucks for Erick All, he really impressed me more than any rookie TE we have had since Eifert and was the best 
blocking TE I have seen right out of the gate.

(Yesterday, 01:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yep agreed.

If McLachlan ends up being in the mix in any way, Bengals need to add 1 TE this offseason.
If Bengals aren't too keen yet whether McLachlan is good enough to make the roster, they need to add 2 TEs instead.

In my head, I'd love to re-sign Gesicki but also add Tyler Warren.
In a more realistic state of mind though, I'd love to add Warren or Loveland if Gesicki doesn't re-sign. If Gesicki does re-sign, I'd still potentially look for another TE on Day 3 to compete with Gandy/McLachlan.

Well said Ocho. Need to add 1 TE even if we bring Gesicki back. McLachlan is older and Hudson is also older and is not near as good as Gesicki
as a pass catcher. Tyler Warren would be fantastic as long as we hit on the trenches in FA. Loveland I would love to grab as well.

[Bengalitis]

We have Gesicki, we don't need All, he's done nothing much before the injury. He must be an ohio guy, is that the big deal?

[Frank Booth]

(Yesterday, 09:13 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: We have Gesicki, we don't need All, he's done nothing much before the injury. He must be an ohio guy, is that the big deal?

2 completely different kinds of tight ends. And he was very impressive when he was healthy. I see bengals fans are re-writing history again when it comes to certain players

[Bengalitis]

(Yesterday, 09:14 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: 2 completely different kinds of tight ends. And he was very impressive when he was healthy. I see bengals fans are re-writing history again when it comes to certain players

I honestly dont remember much of him.. there was a TE caurosel too, then he got hurt.. so...

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 09:14 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: 2 completely different kinds of tight ends. And he was very impressive when he was healthy. I see bengals fans are re-writing history again when it comes to certain players

Calm down, some of the more casual fans don't pay nearly as much attention as the die hards do.

[Frank Booth]

(Yesterday, 09:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Calm down, some of the more casual fans don't pay nearly as much attention as the die hards do.

I would think bengalitis is more than a casual

[Bengalitis]

I'm gonna look for a compilation vid.. if anyone has one handy, post it..appreciate it.. of all 3 of our TEs (excluding Sample ofc..lol)

[Nicomo Cosca]

(Yesterday, 09:13 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: We have Gesicki, we don't need All, he's done nothing much before the injury. He must be an ohio guy, is that the big deal?

Really bad take. All allowed them to actually run 12 personnel more.

Ja’Marr Chase on All:

“He makes a big difference in the system just because we can use him on both sides of running and passing. Not just one dimensional,” Chase said. “I think that's the biggest thing this year that has made the offense more complete.”

[*bfine32*]

I think we may be over-valuing Alll's contribution. Sucks the kid is hurt, but he really didn't do anything once the offense hit its stride. He had an OK stretch games 2-4, but outside of that, his production was falling off long before injury.

I assume a counter will be but the "running game". We ran the ball much better in the latter part of the year.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 01:24 PM)Whatever Wrote: Warren may slide more than people think.  He's 24 years old, which is old for an NFL draft pick.  Plus, there is debate between whether he or Colston Loveland is TE1 in this class.  Warren is a better blocker and has wildcat flexibility while Loveland is a better receiving prospect and is 4 years younger.  

Good points. Sure hope Warren falls to us and we grab him up as long as the trenches have been addressed in FA.

Warren is the type of TE that can do it all like we were hoping from All but Warren doesn't have the injury history and is much more proven.

He could really open up our Offense and maybe be that TE weapon we have always missed on.

(Yesterday, 10:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think we may be over-valuing Alll's contribution. Sucks the kid is hurt, but he really didn't do anything once the offense hit its stride. He had an OK stretch games 2-4, but outside of that, his production was falling off long before injury.

I assume a counter will be but the "running game". We ran the ball much better in the latter part of the year.

All was a lone bright spot, was a very wanting blocker that took on veterans and All Pro Ends like Karlaftis and held his own, that is saying 
something for a rookie. I am not going to take anything away from what he shown. I was against the pick in the first place because of his 
injury history but he sure shut me up as far as play on the field. Just because the Offense sucked early on, that was not Erick All's fault.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(4 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: All was a lone bright spot, was a very wanting blocker that took on veterans and All Pro Ends like Karlaftis and held his own, that is saying 
something for a rookie. I am not going to take anything away from what he shown. I was against the pick in the first place because of his 
injury history but he sure shut me up as far as play on the field. Just because the Offense sucked early on, that was not Erick All's fault.

I liked him as a blocker, but he only averaged 17.6 yards per game despite having a QB who led the league in passing attempts and yards, at just 7.9 yards per catch. I was pretty much just seeing him as a Sample replacement, not as an actual solution to our TE needs.

[Whatever]

(Yesterday, 10:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think we may be over-valuing Alll's contribution. Sucks the kid is hurt, but he really didn't do anything once the offense hit its stride. He had an OK stretch games 2-4, but outside of that, his production was falling off long before injury.

I assume a counter will be but the "running game". We ran the ball much better in the latter part of the year.

I think All played well in the role he was assigned and some of the run concepts they did with him were exciting and effective.  That said, was he a big difference maker?  No.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(4 hours ago)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I liked him as a blocker, but he only averaged 17.6 yards per game despite having a QB who led the league in passing attempts and yards, at just 7.9 yards per catch. I was pretty much just seeing him as a Sample replacement, not as an actual solution to our TE needs.

He could only run the short routes that were called for him. Gesicki got the deeper TE routes as he should.

Erick All did all that was asked of him. No point in acting like he was a bad player for us as a rookie. Sucks that we probably will never know 
how good of a player All could of been with these injuries. Like XsandOs said, he probably won't be the same after these ACL tears when he 
comes back, if he ever does. 

Before the injury, you could definitely see he had more explosiveness than Drew Sample, not saying much, I know.

[XsandOs]

I saw him live vs Panthers and his presence was undeniable. Big, fast and athletic. We gained 130 yards on the ground, and he lined up as H-Back, slot and even outside. On our first TD, he was lined up outside and ran all the way to the opposite tackle area to block the LB to allow the RB to rush for the TD. Think about that - lined up all the way outside as a receiver, and blocks in the opposite tackle area for the run. On multiple plays, he was in the second level blocking for big runs.  

Edit: Of the current top TEs in the league, Kittle is the only one I think who can do what All did on that first rushing TD. 

He also had the second most catches after Tee, running flats and short curls from the backfield. Getting 7 yards per catch for a big TE running flats and curls is good, especially when you get that vs stacked boxes to stop the run.

That was his value to this Team. When you can minimize your "tell" based on personnel and formation, you get the defense guessing and that is when you can dictate to defense.

A complete TE who can block at any level and can run any route has value well beyond stats. This was his first year, and his route tree was expanding.

[XsandOs]

(4 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: He could only run the short routes that were called for him. Gesicki got the deeper TE routes as he should.

Erick All did all that was asked of him. No point in acting like he was a bad player for us as a rookie. Sucks that we probably will never know 
how good of a player All could of been with these injuries. Like XsandOs said, he probably won't be the same after these ACL tears when he 
comes back, if he ever does. 

Before the injury, you could definitely see he had more explosiveness than Drew Sample, not saying much, I know.

Nate, I really hope he recovers and has a long career with us. This kid is such a nice player.