Reds May 2025 Thread

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

Nearly getting a CG No Hitter thrown against you is somehow even more embarrassing in a league where guys routinely go 5 innings a start.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(05-05-2025, 09:06 PM)cinci4life Wrote: That’s complete bs. He absolutely caught the ball. How the eff is that replay possibly confirmed? Thought for sure that would be Tito’s first Red ejection. Hope Callahan is ok but that looked bad.

Quote:Rule 5.09(a)(1), the play can't be ruled a catch "if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball."

It's tough because he was clearly in pain, but by the rules it was absolutely the right call that it's not a catch. It's hard to have a rule for that scenario any clearer than that.

[cinci4life]

(05-06-2025, 01:50 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It's tough because he was clearly in pain, but by the rules it was absolutely the right call that it's not a catch. It's hard to have a rule for that scenario any clearer than that.

Sorry but i don't agree. He didn't just drop it. Once he hit the ground he ripped his glove off and that's when the ball came loose. That's a catch all day.

[CJD]

This offense goes silent for days at a time. It's very frustrating.

[*bengalfan74*]

(05-06-2025, 01:50 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It's tough because he was clearly in pain, but by the rules it was absolutely the right call that it's not a catch. It's hard to have a rule for that scenario any clearer than that.

Oh I was watching it live and you could see his hand/wrist flopping around no longer connected. It sucks for him for sure.

[*bengalfan74*]

(05-06-2025, 08:35 AM)CJD Wrote: This offense goes silent for days at a time. It's very frustrating.

Jekyll and Hyde, and that's pretty much been their M.O. for some time. 

On fire or ice cold

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(05-06-2025, 06:19 AM)cinci4life Wrote: Sorry but i don't agree. He didn't just drop it. Once he hit the ground he ripped his glove off and that's when the ball came loose. That's a catch all day.

"Matt Olson homers after call is confirmed in the 3rd"
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-braves/2025/05/05/778049/final/video
0:07 the ball is already on the ground
0:09 he throws his glove off

Your version of events is clear as day not what happened on video there.

[cinci4life]

(05-06-2025, 02:13 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: "Matt Olson homers after call is confirmed in the 3rd"
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-braves/2025/05/05/778049/final/video
0:07 the ball is already on the ground
0:09 he throws his glove off

Your version of events is clear as day not what happened on video there.

Either way it’s still a catch. That was in his glove a good 3 seconds. How many times do you see a 2nd baseman barely have it a second but drop hit throwing to first but still get the out call. This honestly is getting into NFL territory type of bad.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(05-06-2025, 02:42 PM)cinci4life Wrote: Either way it’s still a catch. That was in his glove a good 3 seconds. How many times do you see a 2nd baseman barely have it a second but drop hit throwing to first but still get the out call. This honestly is getting into NFL territory type of bad.

Are you talking about dropping it while transferring the ball to their throwing hand? Because that's covered...

Quote:A legal catch does not require that the fielder secure possession or control of the ball in his throwing hand when making the transfer.

If you run into a wall and drop the ball because of it, it's not a catch. If you catch the ball and fumble the exchange to your throwing hand, it's still a catch. It's extremely black and white clear cut and defined.

This is a terrible hill to decide to die on. It's nothing like the NFL.

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Also again, the video shows a completely different version of your reality of a good 3 seconds. Same link, this time the video "Tyler Callihan exits with a broken left forearm"... the most he could have had the ball in his hand was ~1.5 seconds. The ball goes into his glove just a fraction before 0:05 and the ball comes out a fraction after it ticks to 0:06. 

Not that it matters, because there's no time element involved. There's no two steps or "baseball move". He ran into the wall right after touching the ball. The act of running into the wall made him drop the ball. That's not a catch.

[The D.O.Z.]

I hope we make contact with the ball tonight.

Keeping my wishlist simple and somewhat attainable.

[*bengalfan74*]

(05-06-2025, 02:54 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Are you talking about dropping it while transferring the ball to their throwing hand? Because that's covered...


If you run into a wall and drop the ball because of it, it's not a catch. If you catch the ball and fumble the exchange to your throwing hand, it's still a catch. It's extremely black and white clear cut and defined.

This is a terrible hill to decide to die on. It's nothing like the NFL.

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Also again, the video shows a completely different version of your reality of a good 3 seconds. Same link, this time the video "Tyler Callihan exits with a broken left forearm"... the most he could have had the ball in his hand was ~1.5 seconds. The ball goes into his glove just a fraction before 0:05 and the ball comes out a fraction after it ticks to 0:06. 

Not that it matters, because there's no time element involved. There's no two steps or "baseball move". He ran into the wall right after touching the ball. The act of running into the wall made him drop the ball. That's not a catch.

Take the horrible injury out of it. Catch the ball cleanly, immediately smash into the wall and lose the ball, it's not a catch every time. EVERY TIME

Does it suck for us and especially him? Sure does 

[cinci4life]

(05-06-2025, 02:54 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Not that it matters, because there's no time element involved. There's no two steps or "baseball move". He ran into the wall right after touching the ball. The act of running into the wall made him drop the ball. That's not a catch.

No it really didn't. He hit the wall and had the ball then went to the ground still with the ball. Once on the ground and the extreme pain hit is when he let the ball go. There's a video on the same link of the Braves radio call that has an angle from the first base side. Common sense needs to come into play. The pain he had to be in caused him to release the ball. To me that makes it a good catch and nothing will convince me otherwise. I'd go as far as to guarantee that if he didn't break his arm he never loses the ball.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(05-06-2025, 06:22 PM)cinci4life Wrote: No it really didn't. He hit the wall and had the ball then went to the ground still with the ball. Once on the ground and the extreme pain hit is when he let the ball go. There's a video on the same link of the Braves radio call that has an angle from the first base side. Common sense needs to come into play. The pain he had to be in caused him to release the ball. To me that makes it a good catch and nothing will convince me otherwise. I'd go as far as to guarantee that if he didn't break his arm he never loses the ball.

https://baseballrulesacademy.com/official-rule/mlb/5-09-making-an-out/

Quote:It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball.

If the literal rules, plainly and clearly written is part of that nothing that will convince you otherwise, then I guess there's nothing left to say. You can just live in a alternate reality.

[cinci4life]

(05-06-2025, 06:52 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: https://baseballrulesacademy.com/official-rule/mlb/5-09-making-an-out/


If the literal rules, plainly and clearly written is part of that nothing that will convince you otherwise, then I guess there's nothing left to say. You can just live in a alternate reality.

Don't see anything about dropping the ball on your own from extreme pain.

[The D.O.Z.]

I gotta wonder, had Callihan been an actual OUTFIELDER and not a 2B playing LF, if instincts and more knowledge of the position could and would have prevented that from occurring. Makes me nervous putting Lux out there, being one of our only dependable hitters right now.

[cinci4life]

Wow are these umps out to screw us this whole series?

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

(05-06-2025, 08:57 PM)cinci4life Wrote: Wow are these umps out to screw us this whole series?

A lot of close calls and none went their way.



Gee.

An opening walk in the 9th comes around to score to tie the game. Whoda thunk that shit like that comes back to bite you in the ass. They need a real closer.



They clearly miss Austin Hays. Their offense has no scary hitters in their lineup. Stephenson just looks lost and very overmatched since his debut game.



Awesome game from Abbott. I've said it before, he's a real pitcher in a league filled with throwers. 8 Ks and no walks. I like seeing that.

[The D.O.Z.]

I have yet to be impressed with anything TySteve brings to the team, dating all the way back to his rookie year. His defense is poor, his pitch framing is poor, and his batting has never been good enough to mask his defensive deficiencies. I see now why they resigned Trevino for three years. Here’s to hoping Duno doesn’t peak in AA and continues to improve because we have NO catchers in our pipeline besides him.

[kevin]

Hunter Greene gives Reds a chance to get back to .500 tonight.  At Atlanta is always tough. Get win 19 tonight and 19-19 on season and still close to 1st place in the first quarter of the season. 

[CJD]

(05-07-2025, 10:38 AM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: I have yet to be impressed with anything TySteve brings to the team, dating all the way back to his rookie year. His defense is poor, his pitch framing is poor, and his batting has never been good enough to mask his defensive deficiencies. I see now why they resigned Trevino for three years. Here’s to hoping Duno doesn’t peak in AA and continues to improve because we have NO catchers in our pipeline besides him.

He's an offense first catcher to be sure. He has a career OPS of .769 and an OPS+ of 105, so it's not like he's a bad hitter. I think he profiles as a slightly above average hitter who will probably play more DH and 1B as time goes on. Even still, having an average hitter as your catcher is a pretty good deal.

He will never be a star, but he can be a quality contributor to a playoff team if he can stay healthy.