All in?

[kalibengal]

Wondering what the buzz is on Erick All and his return? He showed alot of promise last yr before he blew out his knee again
Without him, we really have one trick ponies at the TE position: Mike G is a large WR and Sample, well you know what he does..block

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 12:50 PM)kalibengal Wrote: Wondering what the buzz is on Erick All and his return? He showed alot of promise last yr before he blew out his knee again
Without him, we really have one trick ponies at the TE position: Mike G is a large WR and Sample, well you know what he does..block

I thought he was unlikely to return in 2025. Maybe there is an update and maybe he can get back by our Super Bowl run. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(Yesterday, 12:50 PM)kalibengal Wrote: Wondering what the buzz is on Erick All and his return? He showed alot of promise last yr before he blew out his knee again
Without him, we really have one trick ponies at the TE position: Mike G is a large WR and Sample, well you know what he does..block

He will miss this season at a minimum. He has a tough road ahead of him to come back from tearing the same ACL twice in as many years.

[jj22]

He is out for 2025 (unfortunately).

[Bengalitis]

Is he the Eiffert 2.0 ???

I don't remember much of Erick All tbh. Did his stats back all this hoorah everyone is talking about? Mike Gesicki did the job when thrown at him. He stood out. Specially towards the end of the season when the offense got off the lazy bed..

[George Cantstandya]

(Yesterday, 01:29 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: Is he the Eiffert 2.0 ???

I don't remember much of Erick All tbh. Did his stats back all this hoorah everyone is talking about? Mike Gesicki did the job when thrown at him. He stood out. Specially towards the end of the season when the offense got off the lazy bed..

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AllxEr00.htm

In 9 games:  20 receptions on 22 targets for 158 total yards, 17.6 yards per game.  I don't know much about other aspects of his game like blocking.  I might be wrong but it seems like I remember others saying he was fairly good at it.  I think mostly the hype is based on his perceived potential. 

[TecmoBengals]

(Yesterday, 12:50 PM)kalibengal Wrote: Wondering what the buzz is on Erick All and his return? He showed alot of promise last yr before he blew out his knee again
Without him, we really have one trick ponies at the TE position: Mike G is a large WR and Sample, well you know what he does..block

I thought this would be a thread about The Brown family going "all in" on winning and was about to laugh at the idea. 

It sucks for All, seems he has a difficult NFL journey ahead of him if he wants to have a career in the league.

[Frank Booth]

Front office is in with pocketing as much money as possible

[Clark W Griswold]

(Yesterday, 01:41 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AllxEr00.htm

In 9 games:  20 receptions on 22 targets for 158 total yards, 17.6 yards per game.  I don't know much about other aspects of his game like blocking.  I might be wrong but it seems like I remember others saying he was fairly good at it.  I think mostly the hype is based on his perceived potential. 

I think he was supposed to be a very good TE who could block and catch. He was also hyped coming out of Iowa (Tight End U) but right now you can’t even compare him to Eifert. At least Eifert had a couple of non-injury seasons where he was very good.
Unfortunately, All’s career has not even had a chance to get on track. Hope is able to come back and have a good career.

Interesting that I just looked up Eifert and he’s only 35 years old. Seems like he played decades ago. Crazy to think that without all of the injuries he might still be in the league.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(Yesterday, 01:41 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AllxEr00.htm

In 9 games:  20 receptions on 22 targets for 158 total yards, 17.6 yards per game.  I don't know much about other aspects of his game like blocking.  I might be wrong but it seems like I remember others saying he was fairly good at it.  I think mostly the hype is based on his perceived potential. 

He looked good because he could block and was a fairly solid receiving threat.

Not as good a blocker as Sample, not the receiving threat of Gesicki, but not very far below either as well.

Maybe we were all enamored with him because the TE position has been so weak for so long?

Was personally a huge fan of trying to retain Hurst, but it was not to be...

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 05:10 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: He looked good because he could block and was a fairly solid receiving threat.

Not as good a blocker as Sample, not the receiving threat of Gesicki, but not very far below either as well.

Maybe we were all enamored with him because the TE position has been so weak for so long?

Was personally a huge fan of trying to retain Hurst, but it was not to be...

You stop it right now. All was thee key cog in a lot of + bengals runs last year. Sample is good is passpro but he's not very good in run blocking. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 01:45 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: I thought this would be a thread about The Brown family going "all in" on winning and was about to laugh at the idea. 

It sucks for All, seems he has a difficult NFL journey ahead of him if he wants to have a career in the league.

Same, I thought this thread was going to be about the FO myself lol

It does suck for Erick All, he is a really good player when healthy, but having this injury twice to the same knee could seriously end his career.

(Yesterday, 05:20 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You stop it right now. All was thee key cog in a lot of + bengals runs last year. Sample is good is passpro but he's not very good in run blocking. 

For sure, he was the best run/pass blocking rookie TE I have seen in stripes. He blocked Karlaftis of the Chiefs and owned him on one play.

Usually Ends destroy every TE when they try and block them. This shows how good All was as a rookie until the injury and like you said was a 
very good run blocker as well. I think a lot of what Pitcher and Zac wanted to run went out the window when All went down. That is how good 
he was at his job. Sample is a good blocker, but not to All's level from what I saw.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 05:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Same, I thought this thread was going to be about the FO myself lol

It does suck for Erick All, he is a really good player when healthy, but having this injury twice to the same knee could seriously end his career.


For sure, he was the best run/pass blocking rookie TE I have seen in stripes. He blocked Karlaftis of the Chiefs and owned him on one play.

Usually Ends destroy every TE when they try and block them. This shows how good All was as a rookie until the injury and like you said was a 
very good run blocker as well. I think a lot of what Pitcher and Zac wanted to run went out the window when All went down. That is how good 
he was at his job. Sample is a good blocker, but not to All's level from what I saw.

The worst part is, knowing All's injury history, every time he went out for a pass last year i held my breath. 

[jj22]

I'm not sure about him vs Sample in blocking but I remember he had a top DE locked up one on one for one of Burrow's TD's last season that was fairly impressive. I wish I could remember what game that was.

His biggest asset as a total package TE is he didn't give away the play. Him being in didn't dictate it was a pass play or a run play. They had flexibility when calling a play with him in.

Our TE's now you kinda know what they are going to do.  

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(Yesterday, 05:20 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You stop it right now. All was thee key cog in a lot of + bengals runs last year. Sample is good is passpro but he's not very good in run blocking. 

Someone is feeling persnickety! 

Overall, Sample is the better blocker, hence my statement.

As I and other have noted, All was an asset due to not tipping the offense's hand.

[*bfine32*]

He's All Done

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 06:15 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Someone is feeling persnickety! 

Overall, Sample is the better blocker, hence my statement.

As I and other have noted, All was an asset due to not tipping the offense's hand.

If he could just get that damn injury bug straightened out, there'd be no need to have Sample on the roster.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(Yesterday, 06:24 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: If he could just get that damn injury bug straightened out, there'd be no need to have Sample on the roster.

I actually like All in there with Sample, as it allows the O to run or pass.

Similar to keeping All in there with Gesicki, allowing the O to audible to pass or run, pending what the D is showing.

Despite tripping over his own feet immediately after toughing the ball, Sample is a great TE3.

He catches a lot of crap because the Bengals pulled the trigger way early in drafting him.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(Yesterday, 01:41 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AllxEr00.htm

In 9 games:  20 receptions on 22 targets for 158 total yards, 17.6 yards per game.  I don't know much about other aspects of his game like blocking.  I might be wrong but it seems like I remember others saying he was fairly good at it.  I think mostly the hype is based on his perceived potential. 

(Yesterday, 05:20 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You stop it right now. All was thee key cog in a lot of + bengals runs last year. Sample is good is passpro but he's not very good in run blocking. 

(Yesterday, 06:15 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Someone is feeling persnickety! 

Overall, Sample is the better blocker, hence my statement.

As I and other have noted, All was an asset due to not tipping the offense's hand.

All is the better blocker in space and moving (pulling), but Sample is much stronger, better anchor and can actually block DEs fairly consistently.

All is the more complete player, as his route running is better, more athletic and can block well, but can't catch as well as Gesicki and can't block as well as Sample.

It was the perfect, "one blocker, one pass catcher, one hybrid," that we had last year.

But after the botched first surgery (because it shouldn't have torn again if done properly), this will indeed be tricky for him to come back.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 06:30 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: I actually like All in there with Sample, as it allows the O to run or pass.

Similar to keeping All in there with Gesicki, allowing the O to audible to pass or run, pending what the D is showing.

Despite tripping over his own feet immediately after toughing the ball, Sample is a great TE3.

He catches a lot of crap because the Bengals pulled the trigger way early in drafting him.

FTR, i don't actually dislike Sample. He seems to be a good guy and a super hard worker. Good asset to the team.