Is Shemar holding out?

[chrisball96]

I think that all draft picks are a project to varying extents. Stewart seems like a more in depth project but with a huge upside. So I understand why people are frustrated by the fact that this dispute is just further pushing back the start of a process that needs to begin as soon as possible and still might take a while to see a return on. And it’s at a position that we need immediate help at. So it’s just a recipe for even more anxiety.

[3wt]

(07-06-2025, 12:12 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: It’s the same clause other NFL teams are using.  Specifically the picks before and after Stewart.

And they're dirt bags too.  These guys are all multi billioinaires.   We're fond of saying (and I count myself as one) that it's insane what these players are making.

But compared to the owners it's chump change

[Tomcat]

I noticed pretty much every 2nd round pick across the league is still unsigned, what's up with that?

[ERIC1]

(07-04-2025, 07:07 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: He will be in training camp..But I will let the scouting department know of your concerns...Happy 4th

(07-05-2025, 12:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: There were definitely issues other than simply "lack of pass rush". Pass rush has nothing to do with stopping the run. Lack of a NT, veteran LBs missing tackles/allowing ball carrier to drag them downfield, and Safeties being out of position also played a large role in the defensive struggles.

Again..and you may not like the coaching changes and players acquired through the draft and FA... and they had some young players doing much better the end of last season..and they had serious injuries last year...but only time will tell...Al Golden is an impressive coach

[ERIC1]

(07-04-2025, 07:07 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: He will be in training camp..But I will let the scouting department know of your concerns...Happy 4th

(07-06-2025, 12:17 PM)chrisball96 Wrote: I think that all draft picks are a project to varying extents. Stewart seems like a more in depth project but with a huge upside. So I understand why people are frustrated by the fact that this dispute is just further pushing back the start of a process that needs to begin as soon as possible and still might take a while to see a return on. And it’s at a position that we need immediate help at. So it’s just a recipe for even more anxiety.

Stewart is not a project..he came within inches of sacking the opposing quarterback dozens of times.. while the quarterback was running for his life....and the rest of the time was all over the field disrupting and making tackles

[SunsetBengal]

(07-10-2025, 03:20 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Stewart is not a project..he came within inches of sacking the opposing quarterback dozens of times..  while the quarterback was running for his life....and the rest of the time was all over the field disrupting and making tackles

If a car salesman is really personable and wastes little time in getting prospective hundreds of prospective buyers to take test rides, and even dozens of them filling out credit applications, yet still only closes 4 deals over a 3 years span; Is that considered good as well??

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(07-10-2025, 01:00 PM)Tomcat Wrote: I noticed pretty much every 2nd round pick across the league is still unsigned, what's up with that?

The Texans and the Browns gave their 2nd round picks (picks #33 and #34) fully guaranteed contracts. So now everyone is scrambling trying to figure out if that's going to be the norm for 2nd round picks now, or where the cutoff will be when 2nd round picks don't get it.

[Tomcat]

(07-10-2025, 04:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: The Texans and the Browns gave their 2nd round picks (picks #33 and #34) fully guaranteed contracts. So now everyone is scrambling trying to figure out if that's going to be the norm for 2nd round picks now, or where the cutoff will be when 2nd round picks don't get it.

Makes sense, i was wondering what was going on there.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(07-10-2025, 04:47 PM)Tomcat Wrote: Makes sense, i was wondering what was going on there.

Last year those pick's contracts were 95.7% and 91.9% guaranteed.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-10-2025, 01:00 PM)Tomcat Wrote: I noticed pretty much every 2nd round pick across the league is still unsigned, what's up with that?

Has Knight signed with us? I didn't hear if he did. But he was practicing regardless, I like Knight. Shemar on the other hand is going to have to earn 
back some respect from everyone. Not a good way to go about coming into the league on your new team with your new coaches and teammates.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(07-10-2025, 04:53 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Has Knight signed with us? I didn't hear if he did. But he was practicing regardless, I like Knight. Shemar on the other hand is going to have to earn 
back some respect from everyone. Not a good way to go about coming into the league on your new team with your new coaches and teammates.

Knight was the 49th overall pick who was projected to be a 2nd-3rd round pick and if he re-entered the draft next year he'd be a 26-year-old rookie. (He also has zero chance at trying to get back into college if he doesn't sign, he was already in college for 6 years).

He isn't in the same position as Stewart.

[Luvnit2]

(07-10-2025, 04:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If a car salesman is really personable and wastes little time in getting prospective hundreds of prospective buyers to take test rides, and even dozens of them filling out credit applications, yet still only closes 4 deals over a 3 years span; Is that considered good as well??

Bengals FO has closed over 40 deals in 2025 so not sure this is a great reference, even the small deals help the dealership make money.

[Luvnit2]

(07-10-2025, 04:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: The Texans and the Browns gave their 2nd round picks (picks #33 and #34) fully guaranteed contracts. So now everyone is scrambling trying to figure out if that's going to be the norm for 2nd round picks now, or where the cutoff will be when 2nd round picks don't get it.

Da Browns, the kings of lousy cap management. Just think how good they could be with the guaranteed money being paid to Watson was used on keeping Mayfield. I have a hunch Watson will be cut soon and down goes a whole bunch of dead money for them for next 2 years.

[SunsetBengal]

(07-10-2025, 05:26 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Bengals FO has closed over 40 deals in 2025 so not sure this is a great reference, even the small deals help the dealership make money.

You're barking up the wrong tree.. We were talking about Shamar Stewart and his whopping college production numbers, no mention of the front office in any of it.

[ERIC1]

(07-04-2025, 07:07 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: He will be in training camp..But I will let the scouting department know of your concerns...Happy 4th

(07-10-2025, 04:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If a car salesman is really personable and wastes little time in getting prospective hundreds of prospective buyers to take test rides, and even dozens of them filling out credit applications, yet still only closes 4 deals over a 3 years span; Is that considered good as well??

Bad analogy....look the organiztion saw exactly the same defciencies as the rest of us...they immediately fired their defensive coach and offensive line coach..al golden seems alot sharper than lou...and both through free agency and the draft concentrated on the 2 areas in question..FYI..I had never heard of stewart...but after watching a couple of hours of his videos.I was left very impressed..He will add athletism, speed and intensity to our defense as will the 2 linebackers they drafted..etc...We all get you dont like Stewart and the other changes but I think that if we have this disscussion later on in the year you may feel better about thingx..have a nice evening..time for summer evening golf and Colt 45..its a beer night

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-10-2025, 05:17 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Knight was the 49th overall pick who was projected to be a 2nd-3rd round pick and if he re-entered the draft next year he'd be a 26-year-old rookie. (He also has zero chance at trying to get back into college if he doesn't sign, he was already in college for 6 years).

He isn't in the same position as Stewart.

All true, doesn't change the fact that others that were picked right around Shemar with the same clauses have signed and were practicing
with their teams. He stands out in a bad way.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-10-2025, 05:29 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Da Browns, the kings of lousy cap management. Just think how good they could be with the guaranteed money being paid to Watson was used on keeping Mayfield. I have a hunch Watson will be cut soon and down goes a whole bunch of dead money for them for next 2 years.

Also see the Stains cutting Watson. Also think they cut Pickett and go with Flaccid, Gabriel and Shedeur as their QB's but who knows with Shedeur
being a dumbass driving around 100 mph in a 50 zone. They might just cut Shedeur and keep Pickett as the 3rd QB now.

[SunsetBengal]

(07-10-2025, 06:49 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Bad analogy....look the organiztion saw exactly the same defciencies as the rest of us...they immediately fired their defensive coach and offensive line coach..al golden seems alot sharper than lou...and both through free agency and the draft concentrated on the 2 areas in question..FYI..I had never heard of stewart...but after watching a couple of hours of his videos.I was left very impressed..He will add athletism, speed and intensity to our defense as will the 2 linebackers they drafted..etc...We all get you dont like Stewart and the other changes but I think that if we have this disscussion later on in the year you may feel better about thingx..have a nice evening..time for summer evening golf and Colt 45..its a beer night

You keep painting everyone that isn't a blind homer with that broad brush. Colt45? Wow, that takes me back to an old SNL skit from the late 90s...

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(07-10-2025, 07:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: All true, doesn't change the fact that others that were picked right around Shemar with the same clauses have signed and were practicing
with their teams. He stands out in a bad way.

The other teams offer greater protections in their rookie waiver than the Bengals do. This has already been covered, Nate.

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Other teams waivers state they'll get the same contract even if they suffer an injury in training camp while not under contract.
The Bengals specifically have the word "disabling" before injury. What does that mean? Who knows, but the Bengals Lawyer FO wanted a higher threshold before the player gets protected in there for a reason.

Other teams also have that the contract "shall be commensurate with their draft slot".
The Bengals do not.

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If you want your draft picks to act like other team's draft picks, then you should treat them like other team do. You don't demand one-sided concessions and lesser-than-standard protections.

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-10-2025, 07:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: The other teams offer greater protections in their rookie waiver than the Bengals do. This has already been covered, Nate.

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Other teams waivers state they'll get the same contract even if they suffer an injury in training camp while not under contract.
The Bengals specifically have the word "disabling" before injury. What does that mean? Who knows, but the Bengals Lawyer FO wanted a higher threshold before the player gets protected in there for a reason.

Other teams also have that the contract "shall be commensurate with their draft slot".
The Bengals do not.

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If you want your draft picks to act like other team's draft picks, then you should treat them like other team do. You don't demand one-sided concessions and lesser-than-standard protections.

If you're the Bengals front office you do!