Stewart is signed!

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 05:46 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Man...i keep telling you guys. He's playing right out of the troll 101 handbook. 

1. He ignores people that are on to him (check) Real people will fight you to the teeth to "defend their honor". Post after post, page after page. Trolls ignore and move on to others that still engage them seriously. 
2. He says outlandishly stupid stuff that is easily disproven, ignores it and posts it again. (check) Real people eventually stop posting misinformation once they're shown proof or...my next point. 
3. He gets proven wrong, beyond the shadow of a doubt and says he didn't say that, or changes his "meaning" and continues the troll. (check) It doesn't matter what you say to him, he keeps saying wrong shit and changing the story.
4. He says just enough to make it look like he's not trolling. (check) Brian P, Doc, Tia (same person) would always add just enough to possibly seem plausible or put in just enough 'football talk' to make it look like he wasn't trolling. 

But let's be real. I could be 100% wrong and he could just be some old weird dude that thinks he's right about everything and has answers to the worlds problems. He told me before we could meet for lunch and compare degrees. He doesn't even need to do that. If he plays golf at Hyde Park Country Club, he's only a couple miles from where i work. He's more than welcome to stop in, ask for Rick, say Hey, my names Eric and we can shake hands, have a laugh and i'll come on here and say i was 100% wrong and he's a real Bengals fan, here to talk Bengals football. 

Hell, i'll even throw in some free copies of his house key for his troubles. 

Even if a troll, they're fun to engage with occasionally, especially during down windows like the offseason.
And I'm not confident it's a troll, just a(n older) dude who has his subjective opinions and there isn't anything anyone can say or do to sway those opinions.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 03:53 PM)ochocincos Wrote: There is a recorded interview from the offseason where he said (and I quote)...
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1l867zq/highlight_shemar_stewart_in_my_case_im_100_right/

So basically Stewart didn't feel it was fair to put a clause on him when he felt he didn't do anything to deserve the clause, even if that clause was being put (unfairly?) on other new draft picks coming into the league by other teams.

What was probably a bit over the line (in some folks' eyes) is the specific statement to Bengals FO about how they want to win arguments instead of winning more games.
Stewart comes off as pretty blunt and willing to share his feelings, even though many players are coached to not do that.


In the case of Stewart, it can be seen by many as entitled, as he's not proven anything in the NFL, so just don't talk to the media at all about things like this.
I don't personally have a problem with Stewart (or anyone) feeling a certain way and sharing their feelings/opinions, but know that any time an opinion is shared, understand that could result in backlash from certain folks.

The info I saw said 31/32 teams have the clause, this year. Ravens the exception. IDK how many had it last year, but we certainly did not. 

I am as critical of our FO as almost anyone, but this one was more on camp Stewart. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 06:15 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Even if a troll, they're fun to engage with occasionally, especially during down windows like the offseason.
And I'm not confident it's a troll, just a(n older) dude who has his subjective opinions and there isn't anything anyone can say or do to sway those opinions.

Those are def real people. Let me axt you this, referring to #1 on my list. 

Does Luvnit ignore me, or take time to defend his position to the nth degree?
Does Essex ignore me, or take time to defend his postion to the nth degree?
Do i ignore anyone, or take time to defend my position to the nth degree?

There have been others. Many others. Maybe there are a couple that i'm forgetting but those three come right to mind. 

EDIT: Ooops. Almost forgot Harley...   :)

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 02:22 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: What dont you understand

On Sunday July 27, at 10:19PM, you wrote "As of today..29 out of 32 second round draft picks are unsigned."

As of the date/time of your post (yesterday), 31 out of 32 second round picks had signed their contracts. 

Thats what!



 

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 06:21 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: The info I saw said 31/32 teams have the clause, this year. Ravens the exception. IDK how many had it last year, but we certainly did not. 

I am as critical of our FO as almost anyone, but this one was more on camp Stewart. 

I'm done trying to put how much blame where but I do want to say the facts as I see them. Just as food for thought because I think the media was really just hyper focused on the language. The default language was the original problem not so much the language itself because it is more common around the league but because they wanted a concession to accept the language. I saw a quote from Hiller the other day that said " in contracts you don't just break precedent you have to negotiate ". So they were hung up on the concession as part of the negotiation which i heard multiple times was or could be the payout timing of the signing bonus. We gave Mims a 50 at signing 50 in December payout. Now Stewart signed with an extra 500k at signing which tells me two things. 1 that Stewart's camp was finally said screw it let's just get in camp because I dont think the Bengals were fighting over 500k. 2 that the Bengals were unwilling to budge at all because again its only 500k even a budge to a 60/40 payout would of made it a million dollar shift to signing. 

Take that for what its worth but is worth noting that language was originally in Mims contract. He was late to sign and when he did it was removed from the contract so clearly his agent didn't like it either.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 06:21 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: The info I saw said 31/32 teams have the clause, this year. Ravens the exception. IDK how many had it last year, but we certainly did not. 

I am as critical of our FO as almost anyone, but this one was more on camp Stewart. 

Hiller looks to be struggling. Zay Flowers dumped him as the Ravens likely advised him to. He wanted to drag this out for himself so he could become a name out there for future potential clients. He got tweeted and tweeted. It’s so obvious. If you follow Stewart’s and Hillers’s early comments no mention of anything but the character clause. Hiller has few clients and for paltry amounts. If Stewart were to trigger the character clause Hiller is big time screwed. It was not for minor things. In the end Stewart said I’ve got to get there.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 06:32 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Those are def real people. Let me axt you this, referring to #1 on my list. 

Does Luvnit ignore me, or take time to defend his position to the nth degree?
Does Essex ignore me, or take time to defend his postion to the nth degree?
Do i ignore anyone, or take time to defend my position to the nth degree?

There have been others. Many others. Maybe there are a couple that i'm forgetting but those three come right to mind. 

EDIT: Ooops. Almost forgot Harley...   :)

While some (like myself) will argue/defend all the time, not everyone is like that.
Some dudes just wanna say their thoughts and then leave it be.
They don't have interest in trying to defend their stance because they don't care if they convince others of their viewpoint or not.

I'd like to think this person is not trolling, but if they are, we don't need that type of person around here.

[THE PISTONS]

There are freak athletes that have little sack production in college and then do good in the Pros. Oweh comes to mind.

It's interesting that we'll have dozens of pages of debates about Stewart being a bust or being ok. Really, there's no way to know at this point.

Would I have drafted him? No. But, that doesn't mean he can't be a good to great pro.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 05:46 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Man...i keep telling you guys. He's playing right out of the troll 101 handbook. 

1. He ignores people that are on to him (check) Real people will fight you to the teeth to "defend their honor". Post after post, page after page. Trolls ignore and move on to others that still engage them seriously. 
2. He says outlandishly stupid stuff that is easily disproven, ignores it and posts it again. (check) Real people eventually stop posting misinformation once they're shown proof or...my next point. 
3. He gets proven wrong, beyond the shadow of a doubt and says he didn't say that, or changes his "meaning" and continues the troll. (check) It doesn't matter what you say to him, he keeps saying wrong shit and changing the story.
4. He says just enough to make it look like he's not trolling. (check) Brian P, Doc, Tia (same person) would always add just enough to possibly seem plausible or put in just enough 'football talk' to make it look like he wasn't trolling. 

But let's be real. I could be 100% wrong and he could just be some old weird dude that thinks he's right about everything and has answers to the worlds problems. He told me before we could meet for lunch and compare degrees. He doesn't even need to do that. If he plays golf at Hyde Park Country Club, he's only a couple miles from where i work. He's more than welcome to stop in, ask for Rick, say Hey, my names Eric and we can shake hands, have a laugh and i'll come on here and say i was 100% wrong and he's a real Bengals fan, here to talk Bengals football. 

Hell, i'll even throw in some free copies of his house key for his troubles. 

Don't worry to much about it. High school starts back up in a few weeks so he probably won't be around as much.

[*ochocincos*]

(6 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: There are freak athletes that have little sack production in college and then do good in the Pros. Oweh comes to mind.

It's interesting that we'll have dozens of pages of debates about Stewart being a bust or being ok. Really, there's no way to know at this point.

Would I have drafted him? No. But, that doesn't mean he can't be a good to great pro.

It took Oweh until Year 4 to have good sack production.
3-5 sacks a season is not considered "good" (especially for edge) nowadays.
6-8 is solid, 9-11 is good, 12+ is elite.

I am not in the camp that Stewart will be a bust (although some may interpret that based on me being down on him).
I am in the camp that it will take multiple years to get Stewart up to par (at least in the pass rush department), and I am not a fan of a 1st rounder who may need to take that long to develop because I think the team needs guys who can contribute well this year and/or next year to win now in Burrow's prime.

So far, the team's only DL to have put up >3.5 sacks in a season who has been drafted since 2019 was Ossai, and it took him until Year 4 to do it.
The team heavily relied on free agents Hendrickson, Ogunjobi, and BJ Hill along with Marvin's last DE draft pick Hubbard to get sacks.

[TecmoBengals]

(5 hours ago)Synric Wrote: Don't worry to much about it. High school starts back up in a few weeks so he probably won't be around as much.

Unless it's a fredtoast burner account.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(5 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: It took Oweh until Year 4 to have good sack production.
3-5 sacks a season is not considered "good" (especially for edge) nowadays.
6-8 is solid, 9-11 is good, 12+ is elite.

I am not in the camp that Stewart will be a bust (although some may interpret that based on me being down on him).
I am in the camp that it will take multiple years to get Stewart up to par (at least in the pass rush department), and I am not a fan of a 1st rounder who may need to take that long to develop because I think the team needs guys who can contribute well this year and/or next year to win now in Burrow's prime.

So far, the team's only DL to have put up >3.5 sacks in a season who has been drafted since 2019 was Ossai, and it took him until Year 4 to do it.
The team heavily relied on free agents Hendrickson, Ogunjobi, and BJ Hill along with Marvin's last DE draft pick Hubbard to get sacks.

I think Shemar might surprise you and a lot of people on here. He was the main DL that Offenses tried to take away on that A&M Defense.

As others have pointed out that watched a lot of Stewart's film, he was asked to attack the B-gap a ton and wasn't really let loose to attack 
Tackles on the edge. He will not be the End Offenses will try to take away here, that will be Trey and even Ossai and maybe Murphy if he 
comes around now that he is in better shape. Stewart will be let loose here and if you cannot see a dude with big time size, speed and 
strength going at Mims in these camp vids I don't know what to tell you.

The dude could be a wrecking ball right off the bat for this Defense, especially in sealing the edge in the run game. Who knows if he learns
to finish or not. That is really my question with Shemar Stewart...

[Luvnit2]

(4 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I think Shemar might surprise you and a lot of people on here. He was the main DL that Offenses tried to take away on that A&M Defense.

As others have pointed out that watched a lot of Stewart's film, he was asked to attack the B-gap a ton and wasn't really let loose to attack 
Tackles on the edge. He will not be the End Offenses will try to take away here, that will be Trey and even Ossai and maybe Murphy if he 
comes around now that he is in better shape. Stewart will be let loose here and if you cannot see a dude with big time size, speed and 
strength going at Mims in these camp vids I don't know what to tell you.

The dude could be a wrecking ball right off the bat for this Defense, especially in sealing the edge in the run game. Who knows if he learns
to finish or not. That is really my question with Shemar Stewart...

I know it was padded practice, but when is the last time a rookie was mentioned having 3 straight very good defensive plays. I love passes being tipped or knoecked down. He has the size and athleticism to create turnovers. I do believe he is raw and it will take time, but I also have faith in Golden to do for Stewart what Reid did for WR Worthy last year, use him to his srengths while he is learning.

Worthy made an impact because Reid utilized his athletic ability while he is learning to be a complete WR.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(4 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I know it was padded practice, but when is the last time a rookie was mentioned having 3 straight very good defensive plays. I love passes being tipped or knoecked down. He has the size and athleticism to create turnovers. I do believe he is raw and it will take time, but I also have faith in Golden to do for Stewart what Reid did for WR Worthy last year, use him to his srengths while he is learning.

Worthy made an impact because Reid utilized his athletic ability while he is learning to be a complete WR.

I cannot remember... Maybe Sam when he was a rookie did some good stuff in the padded practices but that was a while back.

Pass breakups, TFL, hits and pressures I expect Stewart to bring. We will see if he can tackle the damn QB, this should be everybody's
main concern with him. He looks really disruptive to me, I don't know what others are seeing?

[Sled21]

(4 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I know it was padded practice, but when is the last time a rookie was mentioned having 3 straight very good defensive plays. I love passes being tipped or knoecked down. He has the size and athleticism to create turnovers. I do believe he is raw and it will take time, but I also have faith in Golden to do for Stewart what Reid did for WR Worthy last year, use him to his srengths while he is learning.

Worthy made an impact because Reid utilized his athletic ability while he is learning to be a complete WR.

The good thing for passes tipped by our D-line, is BJ Hill has a tendency to come down with them.

[Luvnit2]

For those who feel Stewart is destined to be a bust, would you feel the same way if the Steelers or Ravens drafted him? Chiefs or Bills?

Or would you have a little fear adding an athletic freak to defenses traditionally good sucks?

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I think Shemar might surprise you and a lot of people on here. He was the main DL that Offenses tried to take away on that A&M Defense.

As others have pointed out that watched a lot of Stewart's film, he was asked to attack the B-gap a ton and wasn't really let loose to attack 
Tackles on the edge. He will not be the End Offenses will try to take away here, that will be Trey and even Ossai and maybe Murphy if he 
comes around now that he is in better shape. Stewart will be let loose here and if you cannot see a dude with big time size, speed and 
strength going at Mims in these camp vids I don't know what to tell you.

The dude could be a wrecking ball right off the bat for this Defense, especially in sealing the edge in the run game. Who knows if he learns
to finish or not. That is really my question with Shemar Stewart...

Nate. Stop. That's not true.

You're making me go to pff and get snap counts...

[*rfaulk34*]

(3 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: For those who feel Stewart is destined to be a bust, would you feel the same way if the Steelers or Ravens drafted him? Chiefs or Bills?

Or would you have a little fear adding an athletic freak to defenses traditionally good sucks?

I don't care what team he goes to. If he looks like a clunker on tape, he's a clunker. 

EDIT: I don't feel he's "destined" to be a bust. I just feel he's leaning that way.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(2 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Nate. Stop. That's not true.

You're making me go to pff and get snap counts...

What does REO mean again? Does that mean Right End Outside?

(2 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: I don't care what team he goes to. If he looks like a clunker on tape, he's a clunker. 

EDIT: I don't feel he's "destined" to be a bust. I just feel he's leaning that way.

Well, you see a clunker where I see a big, fast, strong D-lineman. 

I don't know how a rookie is leaning that way to being a bust because of his college film either. Some of his film is bad against a top 
Tackle in Will Campbell and some was really good against Notre Dame who always put out good OL into the NFL. Inconsistency and 
lack of production are the concerns with Shemar Stewart, not his upside where some claimed he had the highest of any DL in this 
last Draft.

[*rfaulk34*]

(2 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: What does REO mean again? Does that mean Right End Outside?

Basically the position Trey plays most of the time. Wide 9. I don't know if it's called Over or Outside. I've heard it both ways.