Stewart is signed!

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-30-2025, 12:20 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Always, rfaulk? Are you really ALWAYS talking about hyperbole? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

At least you caught my easter egg. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-30-2025, 12:22 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: His opinion is based on reality. None of us can accurately predict every NFL player's future results. How is thay hyperbole? Hell, the experts and those drafting can't predict accurately or we would never miss on any pick, no team would.

I highlighted the part were he assumes someone who makes a strong opinion "knows" that, say, he's going to bust. 

In my case, i don't "know" he's going to bust. I feel that he will. I'm saying he will, so he's wrong that i would feel i "know" he's going to bust. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-30-2025, 12:37 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Just saw this the other day.

From that list, i would give him pretty strong odds. We'll see, because Bengals. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(07-30-2025, 12:15 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Geno's not going in first ballot and it's not because he played for the Bengals. Last time i checked i think he was close to top 20 in the Hall of Fame monitor and one good thing he has working for him, there's not many guys ahead of him that are really deserving and ready to go in now. Hmm, with that being said, i guess you could make a case that he could go in next year. 

I am not expecting first ballot, but he'll get in sooner or later. The number of people with at least 8 Pro Bowls, multiple 1st Team All-Pros, AND was on a HoF All Decade Team (this last one matters, it's the HoF selection committee that chooses them, so that means they have already recognized you as someone that dominated a decade) that aren't in the HoF has to be near 0.

[coachmcneil71]

(07-30-2025, 12:20 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Always, rfaulk? Are you really ALWAYS talking about hyperbole? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

I'm not sure what the argument is about, but if you could teach my ole lady that last part, that would be great! 

[Sled21]

(07-30-2025, 12:56 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I highlighted the part were he assumes someone who makes a strong opinion "knows" that, say, he's going to bust. 

In my case, i don't "know" he's going to bust. I feel that he will. I'm saying he will, so he's wrong that i would feel i "know" he's going to bust. 

I wasn't speaking of you in particular. I'm talking about the numerous statements we constantly see on here like "This guy is going to be a bust" or "we won't make it back to the playoffs with this defense." I may not always, but I try to at least put a "I think" or "I believe" when I make a prediction about a player. Case in point, "I Think" this defense is going to play much better this year.

[*PhilHos*]

(07-30-2025, 01:19 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I'm not sure what the argument is about, but if you could teach my ole lady that last part, that would be great! 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-26-2025, 01:47 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Stewart was #1 in all of college football in first to pressure rate.. His combine results 4.59 40 but this was huge the #4 of everyone vertical of 40” at 265 lbs. He will make a lot of backside tackles of Lamar. He will likely be our best DE run stopper day 1. If he can improve on finishing sacks he’s a steal. We had to improve there in run defense. Why Slaton & Knight too. Baltimore & Philly #1 & #2 in rush offense. Last I looked they are the top 2 or 3 teams. The great edge rushers are specimens. Stewart is all that. Just needs refinement.

I don’t understand how he can be #1 in first to pressure, but his pass rush win rate ranks 52nd out of 140 draft eligible edge players with 200 pass rushing attempts in 2024 which resulted in 1.5 sacks.

[Luvnit2]

(07-30-2025, 01:28 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I wasn't speaking of you in particular. I'm talking about the numerous statements we constantly see on here like "This guy is going to be a bust" or "we won't make it back to the playoffs with this defense." I may not always, but I try to at least put a "I think" or "I believe" when I make a prediction about a player. Case in point, "I Think" this defense is going to play much better this year.

We need a game, even a preseason game. The board is always gnarly this time of the year........................and on the game day threads.................and after a loss..........and after the first 3 days of FA..................and after the draft...............

OK, pretty much gnarly year round 

[Luvnit2]

(07-30-2025, 04:15 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I don’t understand how he can be #1 in first to pressure, but his pass rush win rate ranks 52nd out of 140 draft eligible edge players with 200 pass rushing attempts in 2024 which resulted in 1.5 sacks.

I would guess as he does not finish well and get the sack

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-30-2025, 01:05 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I am not expecting first ballot, but he'll get in sooner or later. The number of people with at least 8 Pro Bowls, multiple 1st Team All-Pros, AND was on a HoF All Decade Team (this last one matters, it's the HoF selection committee that chooses them, so that means they have already recognized you as someone that dominated a decade) that aren't in the HoF has to be near 0.

Yep. I expect him to go in, probably sooner than later. Looking at this year's list, i'd have to think he has a good chance. 

[*PhilHos*]

(07-30-2025, 04:27 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: We need a game, even a preseason game. The board is always knarly this time of the year........................and on the game day threads.................and after a loss..........and after the first 3 days of FA..................and after the draft...............

OK, pretty much knarly year round 

*gnarly

[TecmoBengals]

(07-30-2025, 04:36 PM)PhilHos Wrote: *gnarly

[Soonerpeace]

(07-30-2025, 04:15 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I don’t understand how he can be #1 in first to pressure, but his pass rush win rate ranks 52nd out of 140 draft eligible edge players with 200 pass rushing attempts in 2024 which resulted in 1.5 sacks.

Here it is…
2.43 seconds to first pressure: PFF reported this as the fastest time in the FBS in 2024.

https://www.bengals.com/news/shemar-stewart-bengals-stay-true-to-board-and-needs-with-selection-of-first-round-pass-rusher

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/story/_/id/44510524/2025-nfl-draft-traits-potential-production-edge-rushers-shemar-stewart

[SunsetBengal]

(07-30-2025, 04:29 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I would guess as he does not finish well and get the sack

There's a perfectly good reason that he wasn't getting the sacks. As one of the other JN regulars pointed out, upon watching his "highlight" films, you can clearly see that he often allows his body to get out of control and somewhat discombobulated. (think legs still going one way while the torso attempts to change direction)

[SunsetBengal]

(07-30-2025, 07:04 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Here it is…
2.43 seconds to first pressure: PFF reported this as the fastest time in the FBS in 2024.

https://www.bengals.com/news/shemar-stewart-bengals-stay-true-to-board-and-needs-with-selection-of-first-round-pass-rusher

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/story/_/id/44510524/2025-nfl-draft-traits-potential-production-edge-rushers-shemar-stewart

Getting past your blocker is one thing, arriving with body control and ability to change direction in a hurry is another. I guess...

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-30-2025, 07:04 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Here it is…
2.43 seconds to first pressure: PFF reported this as the fastest time in the FBS in 2024.

https://www.bengals.com/news/shemar-stewart-bengals-stay-true-to-board-and-needs-with-selection-of-first-round-pass-rusher

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/story/_/id/44510524/2025-nfl-draft-traits-potential-production-edge-rushers-shemar-stewart

"Same thing," Montgomery said. "Didn't have all the production. Get him in the NFL, teach him how to rush, teach him how to finish.

That's the key right there. Coaches and players need to help teach him how to get to the QB. The hope is to marry his athletic ability with technique like great pass rushers possess. If he's willing to learn and apply, he could be a gem. If he gets that teaching and just goes out and relies on past muscle memory, or just can't translate, forget it. 

[Soonerpeace]

(07-30-2025, 08:33 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "Same thing," Montgomery said. "Didn't have all the production. Get him in the NFL, teach him how to rush, teach him how to finish.

That's the key right there. Coaches and players need to help teach him how to get to the QB. The hope is to marry his athletic ability with technique like great pass rushers possess. If he's willing to learn and apply, he could be a gem. If he gets that teaching and just goes out and relies on past muscle memory, or just can't translate, forget it. 

For sure as others have mentioned a lot more teaching in camp. It tracks what I’ve heard from my sources Zac was looking at better teachers in coaches. Obviously he wasn’t satisfied with the OL in that regard and several areas on defense.

[Clark W Griswold]

(07-30-2025, 12:58 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: From that list, i would give him pretty strong odds. We'll see, because Bengals. 

Yep - he was a better player than most of those guys on that list but…Bengals. And a lot of them were more hyped because of their position, too.

[Soonerpeace]

(07-30-2025, 07:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Getting past your blocker is one thing, arriving with body control and ability to change direction in a hurry is another. I guess...

Wouldn’t it be great if Murphy & Stewart’s production matched their first round selection?