Murray update

[*psychdoctor*]

(03-13-2019, 01:15 PM)Synric Wrote: Ben Powers and Dru Samia. Powers actually sounded exactly like the linemen Turner talked about in his interview.

I actually like Powers and he is a good day 3 pick.  

[Big Boss]

1. Cardinals - still have Josh Rosen
4. Raiders - still have Derek Carr
6. Giants - still have Eli Manning / reportedly not interested in Haskins / have a connection to Daniel Jones / might be in play for Josh Rosen
7. Jaguars - signed Nick Foles
10. Broncos - signed Joe Flacco
11. Bengals - still have Andy Dalton
13. Dolphins - signed Ryan Fitzpatrick
15. Redskins - signed Case Keenum


Taking a look at this, I'm almost starting to wonder if Haskins dropping to #11 is a real possibility. Murray to Arizona seems like a foregone conclusion at this point.

[*ochocincos*]

(03-20-2019, 01:28 PM)Big Boss Wrote: 1. Cardinals - still have Josh Rosen
4. Raiders - still have Derek Carr
6. Giants - still have Eli Manning / reportedly not interested in Haskins / have a connection to Daniel Jones / might be in play for Josh Rosen
7. Jaguars - signed Nick Foles
10. Broncos - signed Joe Flacco
11. Bengals - still have Andy Dalton
13. Dolphins - signed Ryan Fitzpatrick
15. Redskins - signed Case Keenum


Taking a look at this, I'm almost starting to wonder if Haskins dropping to #11 is a real possibility.  Murray to Arizona seems like a foregone conclusion at this point.

Even if I had one of the QBs listed above, I wouldn't rule out Murray, Haskins, Jones, or Lock to any of those teams. My plan would be to groom that first-round QB for a year behind the existing starter because all have something to work on before being forced into a starting role.

Regarding the Bengals, we know Taylor was at Oklahoma Pro Day, but I heard he was actually focused more on Ford rather than Murray. Is he at Ohio St's today?

[Big Boss]

(03-20-2019, 01:40 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Even if I had one of the QBs listed above, I wouldn't rule out Murray, Haskins, Jones, or Lock to any of those teams. My plan would be to groom that first-round QB for a year behind the existing starter because all have something to work on before being forced into a starting role.

Regarding the Bengals, we know Taylor was at Oklahoma Pro Day, but I heard he was actually focused more on Ford rather than Murray. Is he at Ohio St's today?

Yeah you're right.  All I'm saying is with all of these veteran/stop-gag QB moves in free agency, I'm seeing a clearer path to Haskins falling to #11.  If you had asked me even two weeks ago I would've said "No way."  Some of those teams might be looking ahead to 2020 where the QB class is (presumably) stronger.  

Maybe I'm falling for the mother of all smokescreens, but I'm just assuming Murray's going to Arizona at this point.  Which means it's a three-way fight between Haskins, Lock, and Jones.  

[Au165]

(03-20-2019, 01:44 PM)Big Boss Wrote: Yeah you're right.  All I'm saying is with all of these veteran/stop-gag QB moves in free agency, I'm seeing a clearer path to Haskins falling to #11.  If you had asked me even two weeks ago I would've said "No way."  Some of those teams might be looking ahead to 2020 where the QB class is (presumably) stronger.  

Maybe I'm falling for the mother of all smokescreens, but I'm just assuming Murray's going to Arizona at this point.  Which means it's a three-way fight between Haskins, Lock, and Jones.  

Rumor today is the Redskins my be in talks with the Jets to get to 3 to take him. 

[*psychdoctor*]

Should the Bengals take Haskins or Murray if available at 11? I don't know how I would feel about this.

[McC]

(03-20-2019, 02:24 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: Should the Bengals take Haskins or Murray if available at 11?  I don't know how I would feel about this.

I don't think Murray will ever get to 11.  If he somehow gets to 4, Gruden will not be able to help himself.  He will have to take him, Carr or not.

At 11, I would take Haskins.  Except for years of starting experience, he checks all the boxes. 

But taking him creates some serious questions.  Do you keep Andy and sit Haskins for a year, giving up a whole year of the precious rookie deal?  If the plan would be to start him, what about AD?  Is he trade bait or an expensive backup?  And if you take Haskins, are you writing off the coming season by virtue of not filling a hole at 11?

That would be a very interesting scenario, to say the least.

[Au165]

(03-20-2019, 02:24 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: Should the Bengals take Haskins or Murray if available at 11?  I don't know how I would feel about this.

I don't think either get to us, interest in Haskins seems to be heating up. If one does I think we will have plenty of suitors willing to trade with us for the 11th pick.

In the coming days, Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins is scheduled to work out for Raiders and Dolphins in Columbus, and then he’s also scheduled to visit the Redskins, Broncos and Giants, per league sources.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 20, 2019

[McC]

(03-20-2019, 04:01 PM)Au165 Wrote: I don't think either get to us, interest in Haskins seems to be heating up. If one does I think we will have plenty of suitors willing to trade with us for the 11th pick.

In the coming days, Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins is scheduled to work out for Raiders and Dolphins in Columbus, and then he’s also scheduled to visit the Redskins, Broncos and Giants, per league sources.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 20, 2019

I wonder if we'll even bring him in for a visit.

[*psychdoctor*]

(03-20-2019, 04:01 PM)Au165 Wrote: I don't think either get to us, interest in Haskins seems to be heating up. If one does I think we will have plenty of suitors willing to trade with us for the 11th pick.

In the coming days, Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins is scheduled to work out for Raiders and Dolphins in Columbus, and then he’s also scheduled to visit the Redskins, Broncos and Giants, per league sources.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 20, 2019

So I take that as a no in taking Haskins if there at 11?

[Au165]

(03-20-2019, 05:55 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: So I take that as a no in taking Haskins if there at 11?

I like the guy a lot but I think the demand would get us better value moving back to say 15 with the Redskins.

[*ochocincos*]

(03-20-2019, 05:01 PM)McC Wrote: I wonder if we'll even bring him in for a visit.

Probably not. I suspect the Bengals would take a mid-round prospect at best to be the backup. I think they want to give Dalton (at least) a year to see how he does in this new offense before looking for his replacement.

[Au165]

I wonder if JPoore is ready to concede and attempt to cut a deal?

[yang]

I was touting Murray back when everyone claimed he was 5'8" and 180 lbs. The tape doesn't lie. He is amazing. The cats out now, no way he makes it to 11. If he does it's a no brainer. With that said, I am fine with Haskins and it is possible he slides.

[McC]

(03-21-2019, 01:36 PM)yang Wrote: I was touting Murray back when everyone claimed he was 5'8" and 180 lbs.  The tape doesn't lie.  He is amazing.  The cats out now, no way he makes it to 11.  If he does it's a no brainer.  With that said, I am fine with Haskins and it is possible he slides.

Possible?  Eh.  Likely?  No way in hell.  He's a QB who can actually throw well with anticipation.  People have made top ten picks out of way lesser QB's.

[Au165]

This is interesting, maybe the Raiders are faking interest to draw interest....but part of me thinks they are just crazy enough to make a play for a QB.

The Raiders' private workout with Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray is happening today in Dallas, sources say.

From there, they head to Columbus to work Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins out tomorrow. Jon Gruden and Co. doing their homework on draft QBs.

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 1, 2019

[Whatever]

(04-01-2019, 08:20 AM)Au165 Wrote: This is interesting, maybe the Raiders are faking interest to draw interest....but part of me thinks they are just crazy enough to make a play for a QB.

The Raiders' private workout with Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray is happening today in Dallas, sources say.

From there, they head to Columbus to work Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins out tomorrow. Jon Gruden and Co. doing their homework on draft QBs.

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 1, 2019

Carr has a pretty expensive contract, plus he's not a "Gruden guy" so it's possible.

[Au165]

Welp Jpoore it was fun but you are now banned from making any predictions or evaluations of prospects for a year. See you in 2021!

[NKURyan]

(04-25-2019, 09:26 PM)Au165 Wrote: Welp Jpoore it was fun but you are now banned from making any predictions or evaluations of prospects for a year. See you in 2021!

Mmmmmm, salty! Lol.

[Whatever]

(04-25-2019, 09:26 PM)Au165 Wrote: Welp Jpoore it was fun but you are now banned from making any predictions or evaluations of prospects for a year. See you in 2021!

I've seen a lot of bad bets going back to the mothership, but that has to be the worst I've ever seen.