07-25-2021, 12:13 PM
(07-25-2021, 09:05 AM)bengaloo Wrote: You could be right, although I think social distancing and washing your hands, not touching face, etc, are far more effective than vaccines and masks both and have been the entire time.
We're almost always going to tell patients to wash their hands to prevent spread of disease because it is part of basic hygiene, but surface transmission of Covid is approximately 0.01%. So washing your hands isn't even close to being more effective than the vaccines or wearing masks to reduce respiratory droplets. Social distancing is important so you avoid respiratory droplets from others (especially those not wearing a mask to keep their respiratory droplets to themselves), but more effective than the vaccine? Doubtful. People at the grocery store won't stay 6 feet away from me.
Quote:The thing is though, we are still dealing with a virus that has a higher survival rate than the vaccine effectiveness rate,
Covid was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US during 2020. With the vaccine, they are mostly preventable deaths.
Quote:and no one knows what long term side effects these vaccines could have, which could end up pretty bad in all honesty.
It is true no one knows the potential long term adverse effects, because this specific vaccine has been available for less than a year. However, the vaccine technology used to make this specific vaccine has been around for decades and is safe and effective without long term adverse effects. So while we can't say the risk is 0%, experts and professional medical organizations still recommend the vaccine because the benefits outweigh the risk which are considered very low (low enough for them to recommend the vaccine unless you have a contraindication.)
With that said, give me a list of vaccines with long term side effects.
Quote:And as of now, in the UK, the delta strain makes up almost all of the new covid cases, although hospitalization rates are down to almost nothing. Its too early to know for sure, but it looks like delta is just a typical flu mutation, evolving to ensure its own survival. Its going to mutate because it wants to live and to do that it cant kill off its host. It seems like right now that the new variant is more transmittable, but less severe, which makes sense following the basic principals of evolution. The vaccines look like nothing more than another flu shot that people will be pushed to take yearly at least.
To claim the delta variant is less severe is premature. If you have information indicating otherwise which I'm unaware of I would love to read it to educate myself.
Covid is most contagious before most people show symptoms therefore variants can still be more deadly so all your supposition about evolution is wrong.
Viruses need a host in order to mutate. If they don't have a host, they can't mutate. Vaccinations reduce the number of potential hosts which reduces the chance of mutations which could render the virus more deadly. If people would get vaccinated we could worry less about new strains.
Quote:But we are still dealing with a virus that has a higher survival rate than the vaccine effectiveness rate, and until that changes, there will be a lot of people who dont want the jab, and its their right to feel that way.
We give Tdap vaccinations to adults, not because they are at risk of dying from whooping cough, but to protect infants whom we can't vaccinate with Tdap who could die from whooping cough.
I didn't get the vaccine for myself. I got the vaccine for other people. I see Covid patients almost every day. I have a duty to protect my patient by not getting Covid and giving it to others who may be at high risk for severe Covid. I want to protect my family so I don't bring Covid home from work and give it to them. I want to protect my friends, neighbors, and strangers who I come in contact with every day. I want to "get back to normal" to protect people's jobs and businesses. So if you don't want the vaccine for yourself or others, do it for the American economy.
Quote:They could lose their jobs, etc, but its a sad fact that it has gone this far. If people are scared of the virus, get the shot, if you're not, dont get the shot. Seems simple. If you are sick, call off work and stay home until you're not, just like we've been doing for most of human history.
These kind of rules and punishments will backfire in the long run, imo.
It's not about being scared of the virus. It's about taking the proper precautions to protect others when they can't (or won't) protect themselves such as others who are immunocompromised or at high risk for severe Covid.
It's not about fear. Although you're doing a pretty good job at fear mongering and instilling doubt in others about the Covid vaccines (against medical advice, btw) which I'm trying to quell. It's about taking care of others. It's about being your brother's keeper.
