07-28-2021, 10:22 AM
(07-28-2021, 09:02 AM)Big_Ern Wrote: Let's just check back in a year or two and see who's right.
Here's from the CDC today: CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others. Based on that finding, Walensky said the CDC is also recommending that all school children wear masks in the fall.
So looks like I'm right
In a year or two the Covid vaccine will still be a vaccine.
And I wrote we will never achieve herd immunity with a national vaccination rate of 50-60%. I never wrote anything about eradication. You’re the one who suggested it wouldn’t eradicate all coronaviruses. Probably because you don’t know what herd immunity is, either.
It’s difficult to impossible to have a conversation about vaccines with someone who doesn’t even know what one is. But, I’m going to try to explain what the CDC director said. We know some vaccinated people will still get infected because no vaccine is 100% effective. With an efficacy rate of 95% that means 5% of people vaccinated will still get infected despite vaccination and 95% won’t get infected.
So what you wrote previously about mRNA vaccines (which aren’t vaccines according to you) only reducing symptoms and not the spread of infections is false. Those efficacy numbers like 88% mean 88% of those vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine don’t get infected by delta variant. Which means the vaccine stops the spread to 88% of those people who get vaccinated. Or, out of 100 vaccinated people, 88 people won’t get infected and 12 will. So the Pfizer vaccine will stop the spread of the delta variant in 88 people out of 100 according to at least two studies. The reductions in hospitalizations and death is in the 90 something % range. Because even if you’re one of the 12% of vaccinated people with the Pfizer vaccine you will have partial immunity which reduces the severity of the illness.
The same break through infection and partial immunity response happens with childhood vaccinations, too, but I’m sure you’re unaware of this. I’ve seen a case of chickenpox that I couldn’t even recognize as chickenpox clinically because of the partial immunity reducing the characteristic rash to almost nothing. I had to order a lab to confirm my suspicion which is not usually needed to diagnose chicken pox.
So the CDC director is talking about the 5-12% of kids who were vaccinated, but still got infected which we know will happen based upon the efficacy rates. She isn’t talking about the 88-95% who did not get infected because they were vaccinated with a vaccine. So if we have a hypothetical high school of 1,000 students with a 100% vaccination rate, the Pfizer vaccine will “stop the spread” to 880-950 students. Which means 50-120 students could still get infected.
Although I find your lack of knowledge or understanding of even the basics frustrating, I do admire your confidence because you don’t let it prevent you from spreading misinformation that is potentially dangerous to others’ health during the pandemic.
