Joe Burrow's stats from last year...

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(08-07-2021, 02:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Did he though? Palmer's situation was good enough that they were able to sit him his entire rookie year and the team still went 8-8 with Jon Kitna at QB. By the time Carson made his first NFL pass, Chad Johnson was already a Pro Bowler.

2004 Bengals vs 2011 Bengals

Chad > AJ
Housh > Simpson
Washington = Caldwell
Kelly < Gresham
Rudi > Benson

Levi < Whit
Steinbach > Livings
Braham = Cook
Bobbie > Bobbie (28 y/o Bobbie vs 35 y/o Bobbie)
Willie > Andre

Of the 10 guys around them on offense, I would argue that 6 of them were better for Palmer, 2 were a wash, and only TE and LT were better for Dalton.


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(Now I will fully agree that the defense was better for Dalton than Palmer, but that doesn't change the fact that Dalton somehow being put into a better position as a rookie just doesn't really add up.)

The skill and bigs on offense were definitely on Palmer's side. The production bears that out too. I was looking more at the overall team. 

2004 offense: 10/18 PF/YDS. 2011 offense: 18/20 PF/YDS.
2004 defense: 21/19 PF/YDS. 2011 defense: 9/7 PF/YDS. 

That era of defense was a huge lift for the overall success of that team. 2009 was the only year that Palmer had a single digit defense and it was a good thing because up until then the offense carried those Palmer teams. Could you imagine the '05-'07 offense with the '11-'13 defense? It could have been a thing if Palmer had stuck around, if he could have turned it around like he did in Arizona.  

I just believe that if you could interchange QBs, Palmer would have more success with either team than Dalton would.