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Elephant in the Room
(11-07-2021, 11:09 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Not sure what the other guys are thinking, but Dalton most definitely took a TON of heat from the moment he was drafted.

In 2013, I remember clearly what the debate shifted to: the 20 INTs. That entire offseason, it was one side bringing up the 4300 yards and 33 TDs, with the other always countering with the INTs. Or vice versa.

And of course the grumbling over the playoff performances was already kicking into high gear.

Frankly, most of the criticism towards Burrow right now is pillow soft compared to what was said about Dalton back then.

I remember Dalton taking heat on the old board, but I felt like it wasn't early on in his career with the Bengals. I remember year one was like a huge feel good story of Whit bringing the rookies together on his own to get the team ready and people seemed kinda surprised by how well the team played.

Later on I remember the hammering on Dalton being about "Good" Andy vs "Bad" Andy or in short Sunday 1 PM Andy vs Pre-time/pressure Andy.

Either way, fans will always see things differently. Some people like player A and will defend him and be unable to see his faults while other people will see every fault in that player no matter how small. It becomes even worse though when the team has been so bad for so long and has the streak of zero playoff wins rolling along. 

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