Elephant in the Room

[Shake n Blake]

(11-07-2021, 11:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Look at post 33

Oof.

(11-07-2021, 11:16 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I remember Dalton taking heat on the old board, but I felt like it wasn't early on in his career with the Bengals. I remember year one was like a huge feel good story of Whit bringing the rookies together on his own to get the team ready and people seemed kinda surprised by how well the team played.

Later on I remember the hammering on Dalton being about "Good" Andy vs "Bad" Andy or in short Sunday 1 PM Andy vs Pre-time/pressure Andy.

Either way, fans will always see things differently. Some people like player A and will defend him and be unable to see his faults while other people will see every fault in that player no matter how small. It becomes even worse though when the team has been so bad for so long and has the streak of zero playoff wins rolling along. 

The Dalton debate was the primary argument on the boards from probably 2012 to the time he left. You guys must not remember Mulligan, and he was far from alone. There were a lot of guys who weren't sold on Andy from day 1.

For his rookie year, it was pretty mild, with big flare-ups after every bad game. Particularly after week 3 against SF when Dalton was terrible. But overall I think Dalton surprised as a rookie so it wasn't too bad.

By 2013, it was a weekly debate. The INTs were a big topic. When he had a bad week, you'd see 15 threads talking about him being trash. Weak arm. Will never be a franchise QB. Carried by AJ Green and all the weapons (that argument started in 2013 with the additions of Eifert, Jones and Sanu).
"Bad Andy" became a nickname that was hurled around when he had a bad game.

After the 2013 season, the talk remained all about the 20 INTs and the fact that he was only 15th in passer rating. People said this meant Dalton was a middling starter, and that's all he'd ever he. He was holding the team back.

And all of this was during Dalton's peak years. It got worse as time progressed. I remember all of this clearly, because I was one of the guys arguing for Dalton every week.

(11-07-2021, 11:18 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: There was a reason Andy Dalton sometimes got a pass for his interceptions.

The Bengals were winning.

He really never got a pass. At least not from a couple dozen (at least) on the old boards. There were some stretches like 2015 where people shut up about it because he was playing at a high level, but I remember watching games and knowing the boards were going to blow up if Dalton threw a crucial pick.

Surely I can't be the only one who remembers this.