What Zac has done that Marvin couldn't

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(01-23-2023, 06:00 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Marvin's shot was when he had Palmer and a good line. But, those teams generally had bad defenses.

Kimo might have derailed Marvin's best shot.

I agree that Kimo derailed Marvin's best shot, but then are the players even more out of control and disciplinary problems if they get a Super Bowl win?

Marvin demanded no discipline and I think that's what was his biggest downfall (along with game planning and things, but Palmer was so good that he didn't need much game planning).

(01-23-2023, 06:20 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I think this is the best post about the differences.

Palmer doesn't get cheap shotted and the team would have won playoff games before now. 

Then compare the activity in free agency and the different feel with less Mike Brown.

Finally Dalton versus Burrow. I like Andy, good guy decent QB but lacked that little something that swagger that Burrow has. If you flipped nothing but Dalton and Burrow, Marvin would have been in the Super Bowl and Zac would be looking for a playoff win.

Burrow's arm is a billion times better than Andy's was. Dalton worked with that QB guru to improve his deep ball and overall throwing abilities, and it did improve, but he still struggled with the deep ball. So many times AJ Green had his man beat by 5 yards and had to slow down to catch one of Andy's passes and then got caught by the defender.

I agree that we would have won playoff games if Kimo doesn't roll over Palmer's knee but I think that would have been in spite of Marvin, not because of Marvin.

Marvin demanded no discipline and the team wasn't really a team but just a band of hot heads. 

Hell, look at the meltdown against the Steelers in the 2016 playoffs and tell me if a well-coached team makes those mistakes, from the fumble all the way down to the personal foul against Pacman.

I agree that Zac has it easier with Mike not being as controlling and doing things like building the practice facility, but Marvin should have demanded change.

Marvin was nothing more than a statue that was hired because Mike thought it would excite the fans since he was the d coordinator of one of the best defenses ever.