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(09-13-2024, 03:35 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: 2nd Team MLB All Decade-- Joey Votto (CIN): Votto started the decade by winning the 2010 NL MVP Award, and the Reds cornerstone led his league in on-base percentage seven of the 10 years -- one of three hitters to do so, along with Hall of Famers Ted Williams (1940s) and Rogers Hornsby ('20s).

His massive contract started in 2014.  Of course he wasn’t going to be an MVP at 40, but he was arguably a top 5 player in all of MLB from 205-2017.

The 10 year deals that get signed in baseball are essentially their final ride.  In football, the 3-5 year deals can still leave them in their prime.  

I do find it weird that in the most physical sport of the big 3, that football players are payed the least, with the least amount of monetary protection.

MLB contracts everyone knows that the players won't be worth it for the final 2-3 years. It's pretty much accepted that at the beginning of the contract the players will be underpaid for the value they produce, and at the end they'll be overpaid for the value they produce.

Votto did well during his contract, he was 41% above average offensively for his first 8 years of it. The Reds ownership just sucks and failed to draft, develop, and sign a team around him.

Football players are paid the least because there's the most of them. All the leagues have a roughly 50/50 split, but 50% split by 15 guys (NBA) or 26 guys (MLB) is going to be more per person than 50% split by 53 guys. 

I think MLB is still tougher money-wise because the guys you see in the majors are the wheat and there's a TON of chaff that gets discarded in the minors before a guy ever has a chance to get any kind of real money. Until very recently guys in the minors were making like $6k during the season, living with either 3-5 roommates or in sponsor families homes eating nothing but PBJ and then in the offseason having to find jobs (they weren't paid for spring training, so if they were a non-roster invitee they needed to save money to pay for that if they got the offer).

In the NFL if you get drafted you have very good odds of making an NFL roster for at least 1 year ($795k).

In MLB if you get drafted, they have 20 rounds and while it used to be MUCH worse until recently, you can get as little as a $10-25k signing bonus (but often $50k-150k). Then playing an entire season in rookie ball will get you another $19,800. Then the next year you play Low A and High A ball for $26.5k for the season. You can be in the minors like that for multiple years making $20-30k per year, and if you manage to get to the majors you then have 3 years at league minimum before you reach arbitration to start getting real money. Won't get your first FA until 7 years in, and by then you can be 30-31 years old.

The cream of the crop get paid better in baseball and you can earn for longer if you make it, but overall the NFL money is better, even more so with college NIL money now. Plus you never have to live and play in little podunk minor league towns for years, traveling for ages by bus. Lol

(09-13-2024, 04:22 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: You dont pay a player a massive 10 contract for them to be great 4 seasons and to have them not so great the next 6.  That's the problem with guaranteed contracts.  Guys want to be paid what they are worth until they arent worth it any longer but they still want to be paid as if they are.  How about not having guaranteed contracts and if you get cut you are free to sign with a team that will pay you want you are worth?  That sounds fair doesnt it?  Get paid for what you are worth.

Players are getting paid what they're worth, and what they're worth is whatever contract an owner is willing to give them. 

It's funny I never see people arguing to pay a player what they're worth by saying we should abolish the fixed rookie contracts, or the 5th year options, or the franchise tag. It always seems to be "what they're worth, so long as it's a worse situation than they currently are getting". Heck, if you want players to truly be paid what they're worth make every player hit free agency every single offseason and everyone will have a free-for-all bidding war for the best players to join their team that season.