Fanspeak On The Clock Mock

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(02-10-2017, 03:00 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: More often than not, first round picks sit the bench under Marvin Lewis.  If you're hoping for a Day 1 starter @ #9, Marvin's history indicates you will be disappointed.  What college DE doesn't need to get stronger for the NFL?  If someone needs to get stronger you can just say that rather than "has poor functional strength and a lot of bad weight."  I've always thought it is was a silly and redundant draft term.  What weight does James Harrison play LBer at?  What DE do you think the Bengals will draft that is going to come in a be a Day 1 starter of the over-rated Michael Johnson?  Hell, Geno Atkins had to sit behind Tank Johnson for a year.  Outside of possibly two DEs in this draft class, any DE the Bengals draft will be a situational pass rusher as part of the rotation.  



Samuel can be used as a more talented Artrell Hawkins who can also return punts and kicks and rotate as a HB until Gio is ready to return.  Hell, just let him run slants out of the slot or screens out of the backfield and let him use his speed for RAC.  Or just have him run deep like Chris Henry.

If Samuel sucks at picking up the blitz then the coaches shouldn't set him up for failure.


Both played G and T in college.  Both were/are projected to play G or T in the NFL.  If either of them had a "natural" position, they wouldn't have played both positions in college and been projected to play both in the NFL.  If Fisher is a "natural" T, why do they insist upon using him as a TE?


Pretty simple.  When is the last time the Bengals made it through a season without a CB going down with an injury?  Dennard and WJIII have a combined 4 starts between them and one of those two doesn't have any NFL statistics at all. Plus I believe Adoree is a better fit as a nickel CB than Dennard or WJIII.  That's just my personal opinion.  That doesn't mean I don't think Dennard or WJIII can't play nickel CB, I just think Adoree would be a better match up against an Edelman type slot receiver.  Plus he has added value as a return man the coaches can occasionally use of offense in a 3 or 4 WR set. His versatility helps protect the team against injury at other positions.


What makes these "good"?

Generally under Marvin, top 10 picks start immediately.  The lone exception to that would be Andre, and iirc, that was due to holdout/injury.  That's another reason I'm not keen on trading down.  You're sacrificing a year one starter in all likelihood by trading out of the top 10.  Thomas would likely be starting by the halfway point of the year if he didn't win the job in camp.  Barnett, who I'm not high on, or Charlton likely start by the end of the year, although both are likely reaches.  If you look at other position groups, Foster, who I'm also not wild about, or Cunningham, who would be a reach, start immediately at LB.  Jamal Adams likely starts day 1 at S.  Cook or Fornette start immediately at RB.  Williams or Davis start at WR.  

Samuel is more of a body catcher than a hands catcher, and Andy had issues keeping passes down to Hawkins.  I see a bunch of high throws bouncing off Samuel's hands and into the arms of waiting defenders.  Aside from as a returner, he's a guy you're going to have to diagram plays up for to get the ball in his hands like jet sweeps, reverses, etc.  I'm not sure that Zampese can utilize him to the best of his ability.  Burkhead was used in a similar RB/WR hybrid role, and they had trouble getting him touches.

Fisher is more of a finesse player with better feet.  Moton is a great in line blocker and has bad feet.  Lots of colleges start young players at G and then move them to T or C.

If we apply the same logic you used to defend the McKinley pick about Marvin not playing rookies, you have your answer. A rookie 3rd rounder isn't going to play nickel corner over a former 1st round pick, a third year man who's seen significant playing time in the role, and a 3rd rounder with a year in the system.

Walker helps us get a little faster at LB, and may take over at WILL if Burfict leaves in FA next year.  Elflein would get a year to develop and hopefully take over for Bodine next year.  Reynolds reminds me a little of Marvin Jones, and could be our #2 in a year or two.