02-11-2017, 03:08 AM
(02-10-2017, 10:08 PM)Whatever Wrote: Generally under Marvin, top 10 picks start immediately. The lone exception to that would be Andre, and iirc, that was due to holdout/injury. That's another reason I'm not keen on trading down. You're sacrificing a year one starter in all likelihood by trading out of the top 10. Thomas would likely be starting by the halfway point of the year if he didn't win the job in camp. Barnett, who I'm not high on, or Charlton likely start by the end of the year, although both are likely reaches. If you look at other position groups, Foster, who I'm also not wild about, or Cunningham, who would be a reach, start immediately at LB. Jamal Adams likely starts day 1 at S. Cook or Fornette start immediately at RB. Williams or Davis start at WR.
Samuel is more of a body catcher than a hands catcher, and Andy had issues keeping passes down to Hawkins. I see a bunch of high throws bouncing off Samuel's hands and into the arms of waiting defenders. Aside from as a returner, he's a guy you're going to have to diagram plays up for to get the ball in his hands like jet sweeps, reverses, etc. I'm not sure that Zampese can utilize him to the best of his ability. Burkhead was used in a similar RB/WR hybrid role, and they had trouble getting him touches.
Fisher is more of a finesse player with better feet. Moton is a great in line blocker and has bad feet. Lots of colleges start young players at G and then move them to T or C.
If we apply the same logic you used to defend the McKinley pick about Marvin not playing rookies, you have your answer. A rookie 3rd rounder isn't going to play nickel corner over a former 1st round pick, a third year man who's seen significant playing time in the role, and a 3rd rounder with a year in the system.
Walker helps us get a little faster at LB, and may take over at WILL if Burfict leaves in FA next year. Elflein would get a year to develop and hopefully take over for Bodine next year. Reynolds reminds me a little of Marvin Jones, and could be our #2 in a year or two.
First of all, Carson Palmer rode the pine his rookie season. Teams picking in the Top 10 are generally more shitty than teams not picking in the Top 10 and the reason they are generally shittier teams is the quality of the roster. Thus there is a greater opportunity for Top 10 talent to start on the shittiest teams with the shittiest roster. In other news, water is wet and fire is hot.
Second, read Solomon Thomas' draft profile @ NFL.com. They question his size and strength. Basically, the same questions you raised about McKinley. Like I wrote earlier, aside from possibly two DEs in this class they all have those questions. Stating Thomas (with the question about his size and strength) will win the starting jobs in camp or by mid-season while McKinley would be a disappointment with his questionable size and strength is nothing more than self deluded speculation.
Michael Irvin caught the ball with his body and teaches NFL receivers to catch with their body.
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2015/12/18/michael-irvins-theory-dez-bryant-struggles-lambeau-field
Fisher has better feet to pull. Motor has better power to drive block. Fisher at RG and Moton at RT is reminiscent of Zeitler and Smith.
Who was playing nickel CB when Dennard and WJIII were both injured? Plus, Dennard is entering his 4th season and the Bengals have until May to decide if they will pick up his 5th year option. So like it or not, the Bengals need to draft a CB.
Since you don't get the Adoree pick I'll break it down:
1 He is a good prospect.
2 CB is a premier position.
3 He fills a need, adds depth, and upgrades the CB group overall.
4 He protects against injury.
5 He protects against the loss of Dennard after next season if the Bengals don't pick up his 5th year option.
6 He provides added value as a return specialist and occasional WR.
7 His cap hit would be significantly less than a comparable FA CB.
8 His name is Adoree.
9 I'm starting to dig the fact you don't understand any of the above reasons.
Finally, the reason you thought Walker, Hill, and Reynolds were good picks, McKinley and Samuel were disappointments, and you didn't understand the Adoree pick is: opinion. Which you're starting to confuse with fact.
