11-11-2017, 06:15 AM
(11-11-2017, 02:24 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Stats get posted because they're facts. Facts that often refute biased and subjective opinions of what people claim to see. Frankly, people are often full of crap or hold Dalton to unrealistic standards based on Madden or watching ESPN highlights of Rodgers and Brady.
Just for example, people often say Dalton sucks throwing deep. If you watch other non-Bengals games and focus on QB play, you'll see TONS of missed deep balls. It's a low percentage play...otherwise, teams would throw deep 10-20 times every game.
If you look at deep ball percentages, they're typically around 33% give or take. A couple QBs per year might get as high as 50%...which is exceptional. Some might fall as low as say 17%. Check out Big Ben's deep ball % this year if you want a laugh.
Dalton is typically middle of the pack in deep ball % and rating, yet some think he's awful because he doesn't hit 60% of them, or some of them go out of bounds...as if the incompletion is somehow worse for it.
If you watch other QBs, they miss deep just as badly. Overthrowing or underthrowing. Missing out of bounds. Throwing picks. It's not an Andy thing...It's a deep ball thing. It's as if anti-Andy guys don't see other good QBs make bad throws, or notice how often it happens.
So yeah, it's not that pro-Andy guys think he's perfect. We see the bad throws. We just realize that good QBs can and do make bad throws. We also realize that Andy is surrounded by shit right now, so it's hard to judge him...not that he's having a terrible season.
I'm not big on stats,because in football it doesn't tell the whole story. When you are a starter in the national football league you will accumulate some stats over time . I looked up some I think last year where,Tony Romo and Ryan tannahill and some others had nice stat years. But it doesn't tell the whole story. Here's one I looked up being funny in my group ,because I have people in my group that's die hard Dalton supporters and they always bring up the STATS. Here's one this year Alex Smith is #1 in qb rating ahead of #2 tom Brady. Now who would you bet on kc vs the pats? I would think Brady would be the favorite Alex Smith has 0 rings. I looked up 2013 qb rating because 2013 was a good year for us and Dalton during the regular season. Josh MCCOWN was #1 Lol Jay Cutler was #4 , Dalton was like #19. Yes I would say Dalton is better then those two,but still isn't good enough to really win. Nick foles was on that list in the top ten and I don't even think he's starting anymore.
Now that's just qb rating because I do hear qb rating a lot when it comes to Dalton after his decent games that turn into wins. Now if you want to get into passing yards and attempts , that gets more complicated, because it can just be the scheme and the play calling,or if your team is down and have to come back . Or you can pick up garbage time stats .it all plays together. This is why I'm usually not a stat person. But people go by it like it's the bible of sports. Baseball is more of a stat line game then football to me with the batting averages.
Furthermore about Daltons deep ball ,has he connected deep balls in his time of course. But there is times he sucks at it like this season just last game he sailed,not just one,but they tried 3 times going deep,all 3 were overthrown. Beginning of the season he missed Cody core twice in the same game ,then they took Cody core out for Daltons short comings.
Do I think McCarron is the answer , I don't know I'm not saying he is for sure he has a slower release and holds the ball longer then Dalton and he's better at footwork and scanning but he don't throw as fast as Andy and when I watched him last time he plays it to safe sometimes and holds it. Also not as mobile as Andy. I would like to see him 2-3 games and how things would look with this certain team compared to Andy.
Like I said to you before, Andy's strengths are fast get the ball out quick passes ,predetermined throws like the greenbay game they came out with that game plan. But every oc we have had asks him to do his weakness and that's drop back and scan and be a true pocket passer. The past two games they put him under center and are using playaction and wanting him to sit back and make reads. This isn't his strong suit I'm telling you. That's more aj McCarron game.plus the accuracy on the long ball has not been there for Dalton this year. His accuracy has been pretty poor this year.
