01-04-2020, 02:08 PM
(01-02-2020, 08:33 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Yeah, how dare anybody think differently than you.
Miss on an o-lineman picked in the 20s once so never trade back again. Taking an early QB on a shit team got us two winning seasons out of eight after Palmer was drafted but it also led to Klingler and Akili. So we should just forget about that but don't forget about Billy Price?
The last first round QB drafted in the last 15 years to win a Super Bowl was drafted in 2008, Joe Flacco
1st round QBs since 2005
2019:
1. Kyler Murray
6. Daniel Jones
15 Dwayne Haskins
2018:
1. Baker Mayfield
3. Sam Darnold
7. Josh Allen
10. Josh Rosen
32. Lamar Jackson
2017:
2. Mitchel Trubisky
10. Patrick Mahomes
12. DeShaun Watson
2016:
1. Jared Goff - 1 Super Bowl loss
2. Carson Wentz - had a great partial season but it was Nick Foles that got them the Super Bowl title
26. Paxton Lynch
2015:
1. Jameis Winston
2. Marcus Mariota
2014:
3. Blake Bortles
22. Johnny Manziel
32. Teddy Bridgewater
2013:
16. EJ Manuel
2012:
1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin III
8. Ryan Tannehill
22. Brandon Weeden
2011:
1. Cam Newton - 1 Super Bowl loss
8. Jake Locker
10. Blaine Gabbert
12. Christian Ponder
2010:
1. Sam Bradford
25. Tim Tebow
2009:
1. Matthew Stafford
5. Mark Sanchez
17. Josh Freeman
2008:
3. Matt Ryan - 1 Super Bowl loss
18. Joe Flacco - 1 Super Bowl Championship
2007:
1. JaMarcus Russell
22. Brady Quinn
2006:
3. Vince Young
10. Matt Leinart
11. Jay Cutler
2005:
1. Alex Smith
24. Aaron Rodgers - 1 Super Bowl Championship
25. Jason Campbell
From 2005 to 2016, 32 first round QBs were drafted. Most of them never saw a 2nd contract with the team that drafted them.
5 Super Bowl berths by 5 different QBs.
2 Super Bowl Championships - Flacco(#18 overall) and Rodgers(#24 overall).
Both of those QBs went to good teams. Flacco always played with a great defense and would have never made the Super Bowl if not for a terrible play on a Hail Mary by a safety at the end of the Bronco playoff game. In fact, if Ray Rice doesn't take a short dump off for a 1st down on 4th and 29 against the Chargers, they wouldn't have even made the playoffs that season.
Rodgers sat for three years and then he took over a team that lost in the Championship game and went 13-3 the year before. He prepared for the Bears, Lions and Vikings and studied their rosters seven times each before he ever faced them as a starter.
More recently, Mahomes took over a team that went 9-6 before Mahomes started the final game of the season.
One loss by 11 points(@ Cowboys)
Five losses by seven points or less
Three wins by eight points or less (Mahomes 3 point win)
Seven wins by more than 8 points
All of that with a stiff like Alex Smith at QB.
1st round QBs usually do well when they move onto good teams. For some reason, 1st round QBs that move onto bad teams don't seem to last too long.
Okay man, i appreciate your line of thinking, but your formula is missing a big variable.. The ability of a team to scout. Burrow appears to be the real deal. The dude passes the eye test for just about everyone I know. Can you find great qb talent in later rounds? Sure. But i don't have confidence in the bengals doing so.
Sure not a lot of first rounders in the last 15 years have won a super bowl, but thats because 'mister once in a 1000 years Tom "da goat" brady' has been hogging a lot of those titles. But lets see about non brady SB winning QBs and ignore your 15 year rule. Peyton manning 2x, eli manning 2x, joe flacco 1x, russell wilson 1x, aaron rodgers 1x, big ben 2x, brees 1x, foles 1x (wentz played lights out that year). So 3 winners not named brady have not been drafted in the first. Oh and one of those (foles) only had a chance to play in the SB because of the first rounder who played amazing in the regular season. If foles starts the whole year, then I bet my left nut that the eagles miss the playoffs.
