Joe is not Andy

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(09-28-2020, 03:32 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: The oline in NO during his tenure was dreadful, but they made up for it by being absolutely terrible at every other position group. Don't sell him too short, he was literally the only player they had, and he ran for his life every year. A lot of those INTs were trying to make something happen. I mean, they EARNED the name "aints" in those days. They were dreadful. Even Bum Phillips gave up. The Saints didn't have a winning record until Mora came in the early 90s.

I absolutely don't doubt his athletic ability or smarts, but I reiterate, Stabler and Namath at their worst, STILL didn't put up horrid seasons that Manning did.

If you look at the three years when the Saints had their best record, Manning had more picks than TDs in 2 of those seasons; their best year under him, they were 8-8 and he STILL threw 20 picks to 16 TDs.

I completely understand (and agree, actually) that if he was on a better team, the numbers would be better.

But the numbers are historically terrible, just awful.

About the only year that helps the narrative that he, "tried to make something out of nothing," was the year he had the most passing attempts in his career; he had the best TD to INT ratio of his career (23:20) and the only time he threw 20 TDs.

The team was 1-15.

Again, if he even had 3 of these types of seasons, I can see how the team held him back quite a bit, but that was the one outlier in a very shitty career; he may have had excellent athletic ability and gamesmanship, but he sucked. Sucked, sucked, sucked, period.