Jim Turner comments

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(10-01-2020, 12:49 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: I just checked Bobby Harts PFF score at it's 65 for the year.  Jonah, I believe was, 66.

Did PFF change their rating system?  Because the way it used to work was these would have put them smack damn in the middle of a "backup" grade.

I'm pretty sure 60-69 is backup, starter is 70-84, I think 84-89 is like Pro Bowl, and 90-100 is elite.  And I think anything under 60 is replaceable.

So unless something has changed, Bobby Hart is currently clocking somewhere around the level you would expect for 48th best RT in the league.

To the person who claimed it, how is that average, or slightly below?  He needs to be at like a 75-77 for that to be true, would he not?

They didn't really "change" their system.
A solid starter is considered 70-80. 80-90 is considered upper-tier. 90+ is considered elite.
Below 70 is considered room for improvement, but still a starter.
Below 60 is considered bad.

The player ratings are deceiving. You need to look at the run and pass protection breakdown, as they combine those into a single rating.


Bobby Hart is the NFL's 42nd rated OT.
Jonah is 38th.
With that said, only 32 have a rating of 70+, which means only half of the NFL's starting OTs are doing what's considered to be solid or better.

When looking closer at the breakdown....
Hart - 57.0 pass blocking (which is bad), 75.3 run blocking (which is good)

A big problem the Bengals have is only two OL (Williams, Hopkins) have a pass blocking grade above 60. They both have 70+ actually.
And only one OL (Hart) has a run blocking grade above 60.

So it's not that the ratings are changed necessarily, it's that performance is down across the league.