Tom Coughlin as Cincinnati Bengals HC?

[PacMan Fever]

Bengals owner Mike Brown certainly wanted it to be so: http://bengals.enquirer.com/2003/01/09/bengals09.html How/Why Katie convinced her Daddy to hire Giggles instead (other than perhaps appeasing Al Sharpton), I haven't the slightest clue. Anybody else think that 2 Super Bowl Championships (and numerous playoff game victories) in the Queen City would've been much appreciated? Coughlin believes Bengals can win: http://bengals.enquirer.com/2003/01/04/bengals04.html I mean, a 12-7 post season record + 2 Championships for the Giants after having led the Jacksonville Jaguars to 2 AFC title games. What on this guy's résumé is there not to like? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coughlin (Coughlin's coaching record)

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(07-14-2015, 04:18 AM)PacMan Fever Wrote: Bengals owner Mike Brown certainly wanted it to be so: http://bengals.enquirer.com/2003/01/09/bengals09.html How/Why Katie convinced her Daddy to hire Giggles instead (other than perhaps appeasing Al Sharpton), I haven't the slightest clue. Anybody else think that 2 Super Bowl Championships (and numerous playoff game victories) in the Queen City would've been much appreciated? Coughlin believes Bengals can win: http://bengals.enquirer.com/2003/01/04/bengals04.html I mean, a 12-7 post season record + 2 Championships for the Giants after having led the Jacksonville Jaguars to 2 AFC title games. What on this guy's résumé is there not to like? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coughlin (Coughlin's coaching record)

you living way in the past.... Couglins giants havent even been doing as well as our bengals lately minus 2 serious runs about 5 years apart due to excellent defense.

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(07-14-2015, 04:18 AM)PacMan Fever Wrote:  What on this guy's résumé is there not to like? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coughlin (Coughlin's coaching record)

Going 19-29 his last three years in Jacksonville and getting fired.

Every decision is easy in hindsight, but at the time Marvin had a Super Bowl ring and was a hot prospect.  Coughlin had had some success as head coach in Jacksonville, but he didn't have Super Bowl ring and he had coached poorly enough to get fired.

I am not going to bash what Coughlin has accomplished with the Giants.  Just pointing out the facts at the time we hired Marvin Lewis over him.  

[fullonbehavior]

Tom Coughlin also had the Tisch family, not the Brown family as owners.  Paul Brown just recently stopped micro-managing every aspect of the team. 

[*Nately120*]

Hiring Marvin Lewis made sense...it's keeping him for decades that has many scratching their heads.

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(07-14-2015, 11:38 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Hiring Marvin Lewis made sense...it's keeping him for decades that has many scratching their heads.

I could see if they fired him after the 2010 season, but not now (unless they had a proven up grade available).

[PacMan Fever]

(07-14-2015, 11:44 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I could see if they fired him after the 2010 season, but not now (unless they had a proven up grade available).

I would've 100% backed us trading a couple of draft picks for Jim Harbaugh (especially if we could've gotten him for a Herm Edwards kinda deal). Bengals has just come off a 27-10 whooping at home to the underdog Chargers. I think it's possible that while Jim snubbed Cleveland, that he wouldn't have been so bold about refusing to take over the reigns of a 10-6 division winner. http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/02/21/jim-harbaugh-trade-cleveland-browns

[RiverRat13]

Coughlin was Mike Brown's first choice. Coughlin knew the Bengals had talent but were acutely undercoached. The problem was that Coughlin came into the interview with a list of what the Bengals needed to do to be competitive, which included hiring more people in the front office. That was a deal-breaker for Brown and ultimately led to Marvin being offered the job.

[Lawless_1]

(07-14-2015, 12:00 PM)PacMan Fever Wrote: I would've 100% backed us trading a couple of draft picks for Jim Harbaugh (especially if we could've gotten him for a Herm Edwards kinda deal). Bengals has just come off a 27-10 whooping at home to the underdog Chargers. I think it's possible that while Jim snubbed Cleveland, that he wouldn't have been so bold about refusing to take over the reigns of a 10-6 division winner.   http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/02/21/jim-harbaugh-trade-cleveland-browns

I would have 0%  backed that.

[Murdock2420]

(07-14-2015, 11:44 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I could see if they fired him after the 2010 season, but not now (unless they had a proven up grade available).

The best option to replace him, is now coaching in Minnesota.  :angry:

[Hammerstripes]

(07-14-2015, 12:00 PM)PacMan Fever Wrote: I would've 100% backed us trading a couple of draft picks for Jim Harbaugh (especially if we could've gotten him for a Herm Edwards kinda deal). Bengals has just come off a 27-10 whooping at home to the underdog Chargers. I think it's possible that while Jim snubbed Cleveland, that he wouldn't have been so bold about refusing to take over the reigns of a 10-6 division winner.   http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/02/21/jim-harbaugh-trade-cleveland-browns

Jim Harbaugh is perfectly suited for college football.  After about 3-4 years his act gets old and players stop responding.

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(07-15-2015, 07:20 PM)RiverRat13 Wrote: Coughlin was Mike Brown's first choice.  Coughlin knew the Bengals had talent but were acutely undercoached.  The problem was that Coughlin came into the interview with a list of what the Bengals needed to do to be competitive, which included hiring more people in the front office.  That was a deal-breaker for Brown and ultimately led to Marvin being offered the job.

I find this hard to believe.  I don't think any guy goes into a head coach interview trying to tell the front office how to run their business.  That is not the coaches job, and at that point in his career Coughlin did not have the authority to demand things like that.  

[J24]

People tend to forget that working with Mike Brown is very difficult and they take what Marvin has done for granted. I am not sure Coughlin would have had the same success here as he has had in New York. I don't think you can understate the fact that the previous 12 seasons prior to Marvin Lewis we had a winning percentage under 30%.

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(07-16-2015, 01:15 AM)J24 Wrote: People tend to forget that working with Mike Brown is very difficult and they take what Marvin has done for granted. I am not sure Coughlin would have had the same success here as he has had in New York. I don't think you can understate the fact that the previous 12 seasons prior to Marvin Lewis we had a winning percentage under 30%.

I don't know about that.  Coughlin has done much better than Marvin as a head coach.  All I was pointing out was that at the time we made the decision Coughlin did not have that impressive of a resume.

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(07-16-2015, 01:15 AM)J24 Wrote: People tend to forget that working with Mike Brown is very difficult and they take what Marvin has done for granted. I am not sure Coughlin would have had the same success here as he has had in New York. I don't think you can understate the fact that the previous 12 seasons prior to Marvin Lewis we had a winning percentage under 30%.

True, but look at the rosters the HC's were given in those 12 years and tell me how many wins Marv could have squeezed out of them.  Here ya go Marvin, I took the liberty of drafting David Klingler at 6th overall for ya!  Build it!  Oh, that didn't work?  Well I just turned down 213 picks to get you Akili Smith so you'd BETTER be grateful! Ok, get it done!

Oh by the way, I made sure our border-line HOF running back didn't want to play here anymore. You're welcome!

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(07-16-2015, 01:09 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I find this hard to believe.  I don't think any guy goes into a head coach interview trying to tell the front office how to run their business.  That is not the coaches job, and at that point in his career Coughlin did not have the authority to demand things like that.  

It was widely reported at the time. Here's one quick mention of it:

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/011903/jag_11512156.shtml#.VagRYnqUzGc

[wolfkaosaun]

Mike Brown also wanted Colin Kaepernick over Andy Dalton.

Everything is in hindsight. Bengals saw improvement over what they had and what would help them. Marvin does deserve credit for what he has done. But back then, it makes sense why Lewis > Coughlin. Lewis helped create one of the greatest defenses of all time in Baltimore. Heck. The Giants didn't even attempt field goals or anything. It was punts or turnovers.

Just like the Bengals needed a quarterback to come in and be ready to play. Kaepernick was raw and certainly would have failed if he was just thrown in. Especially with the lack of camp and everything.

It's all hindsight in the end. The decisions made sense during the time.

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(07-16-2015, 05:27 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Mike Brown also wanted Colin Kaepernick over Andy Dalton.

Funny that no one heard about that until years later when Kaepernick became a star.

At the time of the draft we were told that Mike wanted Mallett.

[J24]

(07-16-2015, 12:06 PM)Nately120 Wrote: True, but look at the rosters the HC's were given in those 12 years and tell me how many wins Marv could have squeezed out of them.  Here ya go Marvin, I took the liberty of drafting David Klingler at 6th overall for ya!  Build it!  Oh, that didn't work?  Well I just turned down 213 picks to get you Akili Smith so you'd BETTER be grateful!  Ok, get it done!

Oh by the way, I made sure our border-line HOF running back didn't want to play here anymore.  You're welcome!

i don't think Marvin would have gotten anything out of those teams hell I don't think Bill Belicheck could have done much with those rosters. With that being said Marvin strength isn't necessarily what he does X and O's wise but what he does with getting  talent. I think one of the biggest reasons for our success  under Marvin is that Mike Brown hasn't had 100% control of the roster and Marvin has had more say than any other coach during the Mike Brown era. Threw 03-09 I think Mike had a 60-40 ratio of control.  Since 2011 I think Marvin has had a 100% control over the roster and that's why we have had so much success over the past 4 years.

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(07-17-2015, 03:15 PM)J24 Wrote: i don't think Marvin would have gotten anything out of those teams hell I don't think Bill Belicheck could have done much with those rosters. With that being said Marvin strength isn't necessarily what he does X and O's wise but what he does with getting  talent. I think one of the biggest reasons for our success  under Marvin is that Mike Brown hasn't had 100% control of the roster and Marvin has had more say than any other coach during the Mike Brown era. Threw 03-09 I think Mike had a 60-40 ratio of control.  Since 2011 I think Marvin has had a 100% control over the roster and that's why we have had so much success over the past 4 years.

I suppose the issue with this is that giving Marvin credit requires admitting our owner is intent on making things far more difficult than they need to be.  You think the Ravens would have 2 Super Bowls if Ozzie Newsome had to be the head coach in addition to personnel duties?  Can't just pay a guy to be a GM, that's what other teams do. Put on a headset...I ain't paying you to sit in an office...thems family jobs! Meh.  Oh well!