Fanspeak On The Clock Mock

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

Did this on Fanspeak today . . .

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/sharedraft.php?d=qooyhm

9: R1P9  
EDGE TIM WILLIAMS
ALABAMA

Best pure passer rusher left on the board, maybe in this draft class.  More of an OLB/DE hybrid who can rush the passer from either position.  Even if he is only used as a situational pass rusher, the Bengals will get more reps out of him than Kirkpatrick, Dennard, Ogbuehi, and WJIII during their rookie seasons.  Carrying a gun without a permit arrest is a concern which needs to be investigated.  Provided the off the field concern checks out, I think BPA and need kinda meet at #9.

41: R2P9  
EDGE TACO CHARLTON
MICHIGAN

MJ's heir apparent.

73: R3P9
LB RAEKWON MCMILLAN
OHIO STATE

McMillan in the 3rd round?  Hell, yeah.  Don't know if he will still be available in the 3rd.

114: R4P9  
OT TAYLOR MOTON
WESTERN MICHIGAN

I don't think Zeitler is re-signed because I think a team will give him more money in FA than what the Bengals' front office is willing to spend on an OG.  I predict Fisher will move into RG to take Zeitler's place.  Boling and Bodine stay put, unless Westerman unseats Bodine.  Whitworth is hopefully brought back to hold down the LT spot.  Ogbuehi gets a red shirt year basically to get his shit together.  Moton has the size and talent to potentially start at RT Week 1.  At least, that would be my hope.

137: R4P32  
K DANIEL CARLSON
AUBURN

Fills a need.

144: R4P39  
WR KD CANNON
BAYLOR

Speedy slot receiver.  Great college production, but it's Baylor.  Seems like all the Baylor WRs have great production, but I'm willing to roll the dice on a 4th round comp.

154: R5P9  
CB WILLIAM LIKELY
MARYLAND

Undersized and coming back from knee injury.  But, before the knee injury most rated him a first or second round prospect.  Added value as a return man.  This guy could be Adam Jones replacement if he is able to come back from the knee injury.

194: R6P9  
RB ALVIN KAMARA
TENNESSEE

Not well known now, but Mike Mayock thinks he has first round potential.

218: R6P33  
TE PHARAOH BROWN
OREGON

Great redzone production.  IMO an upgrade to CJ.  Maybe now I won't see Fisher lining up as a goal line TE to only drop the ball in the endzone anymore.  (I'm looking at you, Zampese.  That shit hasn't worked since Anthony Munoz.)

221: R6P36  
QB JOSHUA DOBBS
TENNESSEE

Somebody to compete with Driskel as a back up.  Hopefully, McCarron is traded for picks entering the final year of his rookie contract.  I think the Bengals waited too long to pull the trigger.  They probably would have received better value after last season, but I understand why they kept him on the roster.  Didn't know this season would turn out to be such shit.

230: R7P9  
WR JOSH REYNOLDS
TEXAS A&M

I think Reynolds is much better than many are rating him.  Good size, good hands, good body control.  I expect him to run in the 4.5 range which is fast enough.  Reminds me of Boyd, sure handed possession receiver with upside.  I think he has the potential to be a #2 WR in the NFL.  I think the same of Boyd.

[TKUHL]

Nice draft, I really like the Moton pick. I hate to tell ya and i never thought i would be bummed out about a K but he's not going into the draft. He's returning to school.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(01-13-2017, 03:27 AM)TKUHL Wrote: Nice draft, I really like the Moton pick. I hate to tell ya and i never thought i would be bummed out about a K but he's not going into the draft. He's returning to school.

Well, damn. Guess I'm gonna have to go with Younghoe Koo. Who doesn't like them some Younghoe?

[TKUHL]

(01-13-2017, 11:10 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Well, damn. Guess I'm gonna have to go with Younghoe Koo. Who doesn't like them some Younghoe?

Right, Just make sure you dont pick TuYounghoe Koo.

[TKUHL]

(01-13-2017, 11:10 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Well, damn. Guess I'm gonna have to go with Younghoe Koo. Who doesn't like them some Younghoe?

Younghoe's draft projection has been everywhere, been sliding up and down the polls. 

[TKUHL]

9: R1P9
LB REUBEN FOSTER
ALABAMA

41: R2P9
EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER
FLORIDA STATE

73: R3P9
WR COOPER KUPP
EASTERN WASHINGTON

114: R4P9
OT TAYLOR MOTON
WESTERN MICHIGAN

137: R4P32
C TYLER ORLOSKY
WEST VIRGINIA

144: R4P39
CB RASUL DOUGLAS
WEST VIRGINIA

154: R5P9
EDGE HUNTER DIMICK
UTAH

194: R6P9
WR TAYWAN TAYLOR
WESTERN KENTUCKY

218: R6P33
LB T.J. WATT
WISCONSIN

221: R6P36
TE DAVID NJOKU
MIAMI

230: R7P9
RB JOE MIXON
OKLAHOMA Not sure how these 2 guys were still on the board with the last 2 picks. For the record, this is the first time ive mocked Joe Mixon, I would hate for us to pick this idiot. I just picked him cause he was still there. Maybe he will drop like a rock in the actual draft too.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(01-23-2017, 02:49 PM)TKUHL Wrote: 9: R1P9  
LB REUBEN FOSTER
ALABAMA

41: R2P9  
EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER
FLORIDA STATE

73: R3P9  
WR COOPER KUPP
EASTERN WASHINGTON

114: R4P9  
OT TAYLOR MOTON
WESTERN MICHIGAN

137: R4P32  
C TYLER ORLOSKY
WEST VIRGINIA

144: R4P39  
CB RASUL DOUGLAS
WEST VIRGINIA

154: R5P9  
EDGE HUNTER DIMICK
UTAH

194: R6P9  
WR TAYWAN TAYLOR
WESTERN KENTUCKY

218: R6P33  
LB T.J. WATT
WISCONSIN

221: R6P36  
TE DAVID NJOKU
MIAMI

230: R7P9  
RB JOE MIXON
OKLAHOMA       Not sure how these 2 guys were still on the board with the last 2 picks. For the record, this is the first time ive mocked Joe Mixon, I would hate for us to pick this idiot. I just picked him cause he was still there. Maybe he will drop like a rock in the actual draft too.

All the boards have slightly different ratings, but I haven't seen Njoku rated that low in the ones I tried. I saw Daniel Jeramiah has Njoku going in the first round in his first mock. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

Version 2.0

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/sharedraft.php?d=vvdggh#.WJtLeJdP4zM.mailto

Two trades:  I traded back in the first round, 1/9 for 1/20, 2/19, and 3/37.  So instead of drafting a player like Reuben foster a #9, instead I got OLB/DE McKinley, RT Moton, and LB Walker, Jr.

I traded up in the fourth round 4/9, 6/36 (compensatory pick), and 7/9 for 4/1 and drafted C Eflein.

20: R1P20 EDGE TAKKARIST MCKINLEY
UCLA

Edge rusher who could be used similarly to Tim Williams, but without the off field issue. Could play SAM during running situations and DE during passing situations.  Some will say he is too small to play DE in the NFL, but he is actually bigger than Vic Beasley who tore it up this year with 15.5 sacks.

41: R2P9  WR CURTIS SAMUEL 
OHIO STATE

Can be used as both a WR and a RB, so Gio doesn't need to be rushed back from his knee injury.

51: R2P19  OT TAYLOR MOTON 
WESTERN MICHIGAN

I envision Moton at RT allowing Fisher to replace Zeitler at RG who I don't believe the Bengals will re-sign.

73: R3P9  CB ADOREE' JACKSON 
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

Swiss Army knife versatility; CB, WR, return specialist.  Pacman's replacement at CB allows them to save $6M/yr and apply towards re-signing Kirkpatrick who they need to bring back.  Would compete for time as a nickel corner at first and allow Dennard and WJIII to compete for an outside spot opposite Kirkpatrick.

101: R3P37 LB ANTHONY WALKER JR. 
NORTHWESTERN

More of a Will in a 4-3 than a MLB.  Three down LBer with coverage skills.  I've seen comparisons to Lavonte David.

106: R4P1  C PAT ELFLEIN 
OHIO STATE

Able to play C or G.  With Alexander's track record, I don't see him unseating Bodine as the starter during year one barring injury.

137: R4P32  RB BRIAN HILL 
WYOMING

I don't expect the Bengals to be able to re-sign both Peerman and Burkhead.  Hill is a capable replacement.

144: R4P39  WR JOSH REYNOLDS 
TEXAS A&M

I think the Bengals like what they have in Boyd and don't re-sign LaFell.  I see Green and Boyd on the outside with Samuel in the slot with Core, Reynolds, and Erickson as the back ups.

154: R5P9  G AVERY GENNESY 
TEXAS A&M

O-line depth able to play both OG and OT.  I see Whit brought back on a 1-2 year deal allowing Ogbuehi to develop, Boling at LG, Bodine at C, Fisher at RG, and Moton at RT.  Elflein, Westerman both able to play OG or C and Genesy able to play OG or OT in a pinch.

194: R6P9  K ZANE GONZALEZ 
ARIZONA STATE

No explanation necessary.

218: R6P33  QB JOSHUA DOBBS 
TENNESSEE

Development QB if the Bengals trade McCarron and roll with Driskel as the back up.

[seahawkscheat]

9: R1P9
RB DALVIN COOK
FLORIDA STATE
41: R2P9
G DAN FEENEY
INDIANA
73: R3P9
EDGE JORDAN WILLIS
KANSAS STATE
114: R4P9
C ETHAN POCIC
LSU
137: R4P32
LB HARDY NICKERSON
ILLINOIS
144: R4P39
S MARCUS MAYE
FLORIDA
154: R5P9
WR CHAD HANSEN
CALIFORNIA
194: R6P9
OT J.J. DIELMAN
UTAH
218: R6P33
DL KENNY BIGELOW JR.
USC
221: R6P36
LB BEN BOULWARE
CLEMSON
230: R7P9
CB DWAYNE THOMAS
LSU

[Whatever]

(02-09-2017, 02:31 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Version 2.0

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/sharedraft.php?d=vvdggh#.WJtLeJdP4zM.mailto

Two trades:  I traded back in the first round, 1/9 for 1/20, 2/19, and 3/37.  So instead of drafting a player like Reuben foster a #9, instead I got OLB/DE McKinley, RT Moton, and LB Walker, Jr.

I traded up in the fourth round 4/9, 6/36 (compensatory pick), and 7/9 for 4/1 and drafted C Eflein.

20: R1P20 EDGE TAKKARIST MCKINLEY
UCLA

Edge rusher who could be used similarly to Tim Williams, but without the off field issue. Could play SAM during running situations and DE during passing situations.  Some will say he is too small to play DE in the NFL, but he is actually bigger than Vic Beasley who tore it up this year with 15.5 sacks.

41: R2P9  WR CURTIS SAMUEL 
OHIO STATE

Can be used as both a WR and a RB, so Gio doesn't need to be rushed back from his knee injury.

51: R2P19  OT TAYLOR MOTON 
WESTERN MICHIGAN

I envision Moton at RT allowing Fisher to replace Zeitler at RG who I don't believe the Bengals will re-sign.

73: R3P9  CB ADOREE' JACKSON 
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

Swiss Army knife versatility; CB, WR, return specialist.  Pacman's replacement at CB allows them to save $6M/yr and apply towards re-signing Kirkpatrick who they need to bring back.  Would compete for time as a nickel corner at first and allow Dennard and WJIII to compete for an outside spot opposite Kirkpatrick.

101: R3P37 LB ANTHONY WALKER JR. 
NORTHWESTERN

More of a Will in a 4-3 than a MLB.  Three down LBer with coverage skills.  I've seen comparisons to Lavonte David.

106: R4P1  C PAT ELFLEIN 
OHIO STATE

Able to play C or G.  With Alexander's track record, I don't see him unseating Bodine as the starter during year one barring injury.

137: R4P32  RB BRIAN HILL 
WYOMING

I don't expect the Bengals to be able to re-sign both Peerman and Burkhead.  Hill is a capable replacement.

144: R4P39  WR JOSH REYNOLDS 
TEXAS A&M

I think the Bengals like what they have in Boyd and don't re-sign LaFell.  I see Green and Boyd on the outside with Samuel in the slot with Core, Reynolds, and Erickson as the back ups.

154: R5P9  G AVERY GENNESY 
TEXAS A&M

O-line depth able to play both OG and OT.  I see Whit brought back on a 1-2 year deal allowing Ogbuehi to develop, Boling at LG, Bodine at C, Fisher at RG, and Moton at RT.  Elflein, Westerman both able to play OG or C and Genesy able to play OG or OT in a pinch.

194: R6P9  K ZANE GONZALEZ 
ARIZONA STATE

No explanation necessary.

218: R6P33  QB JOSHUA DOBBS 
TENNESSEE

Development QB if the Bengals trade McCarron and roll with Driskel as the back up.

McKinley has a ton of upside, but needs a lot of polishing.  He has poor functional strength and a lot of bad weight on his frame, so he will either need to gain strength to be a DE or cut weight to play LB.  I had similar thoughts as you about how to work him in, but he is a huge project that won't likely contribute much as a rookie.  To trade away an immediate starter at 9 to get a 1st rounder who won't play much would be a disappointment.

Samuel is pretty inexperienced as a RB at the college level, and will limited in that role because he can't pick up the blitz.  He's a good route runner for a RB, but not for a WR.  He could beat out Erickson as a returner, but he's another project that we won't see early dividends from.

I see Moton projected as a G mainly due to his bad feet and technique, which is where he played earlier in his career.  Putting Moton at T and Fisher at G is just moving two guys out of their natural position.

I don't get the Jackson pick at all.  If you bring back Kirk, you have WJIII and Dennard as your 2 and 3 and Shaw and Russell battling for the #4 spot.  Jackson is likely a 3rd round pick for a #6 CB.

Walker is a good pick at the end of three, and Elflein is a good value in the 4th.  Hill and Reynolds are good 3rd day prospects.  

[WhoDey3208]

This was done before hearing about the Bengals not re-signing Zietler but I think it gives us players across all the positions we really need for next year:

R1P9 - Solomon Thomas - DE Stanford

R2P9 - Jarrad Davis - LB Florida

R3P9 - Ethan Pocic - C LSU

R4P9 - Taywan Taylor - WR WKU

R4P32 - Donat'e Foreman - RB Texas

R4P39 - Zach Banner - G USC

R5P39 - Eddie Vanderdoes - DT UCLA

R6P9 - Zane Gonzalez - K ASU

R6P33 - Chad Kelly - QB Ole Miss

R6P36 - Xaiver Woods - S La Tech

R7P9 - Travin Dural - WR LSU

Let me know what you think. First time posting to the site but love the draft.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-09-2017, 08:55 PM)Whatever Wrote: McKinley has a ton of upside, but needs a lot of polishing.  He has poor functional strength and a lot of bad weight on his frame, so he will either need to gain strength to be a DE or cut weight to play LB.  I had similar thoughts as you about how to work him in, but he is a huge project that won't likely contribute much as a rookie.  To trade away an immediate starter at 9 to get a 1st rounder who won't play much would be a disappointment.

More often than not, first round picks sit the bench under Marvin Lewis.  If you're hoping for a Day 1 starter @ #9, Marvin's history indicates you will be disappointed.  What college DE doesn't need to get stronger for the NFL?  If someone needs to get stronger you can just say that rather than "has poor functional strength and a lot of bad weight."  I've always thought it is was a silly and redundant draft term.  What weight does James Harrison play LBer at?  What DE do you think the Bengals will draft that is going to come in a be a Day 1 starter of the over-rated Michael Johnson?  Hell, Geno Atkins had to sit behind Tank Johnson for a year.  Outside of possibly two DEs in this draft class, any DE the Bengals draft will be a situational pass rusher as part of the rotation.  

Quote:Samuel is pretty inexperienced as a RB at the college level, and will limited in that role because he can't pick up the blitz.  He's a good route runner for a RB, but not for a WR.  He could beat out Erickson as a returner, but he's another project that we won't see early dividends from.

Samuel can be used as a more talented Artrell Hawkins who can also return punts and kicks and rotate as a HB until Gio is ready to return.  Hell, just let him run slants out of the slot or screens out of the backfield and let him use his speed for RAC.  Or just have him run deep like Chris Henry.

If Samuel sucks at picking up the blitz then the coaches shouldn't set him up for failure.

Quote:I see Moton projected as a G mainly due to his bad feet and technique, which is where he played earlier in his career.  Putting Moton at T and Fisher at G is just moving two guys out of their natural position.

Both played G and T in college.  Both were/are projected to play G or T in the NFL.  If either of them had a "natural" position, they wouldn't have played both positions in college and been projected to play both in the NFL.  If Fisher is a "natural" T, why do they insist upon using him as a TE?

Quote:I don't get the Jackson pick at all.  If you bring back Kirk, you have WJIII and Dennard as your 2 and 3 and Shaw and Russell battling for the #4 spot.  Jackson is likely a 3rd round pick for a #6 CB.

Pretty simple.  When is the last time the Bengals made it through a season without a CB going down with an injury?  Dennard and WJIII have a combined 4 starts between them and one of those two doesn't have any NFL statistics at all. Plus I believe Adoree is a better fit as a nickel CB than Dennard or WJIII.  That's just my personal opinion.  That doesn't mean I don't think Dennard or WJIII can't play nickel CB, I just think Adoree would be a better match up against an Edelman type slot receiver.  Plus he has added value as a return man the coaches can occasionally use of offense in a 3 or 4 WR set. His versatility helps protect the team against injury at other positions.

Quote:Walker is a good pick at the end of three, and Elflein is a good value in the 4th.  Hill and Reynolds are good 3rd day prospects.  

What makes these "good"?

[JungleRock85]

Two different ones. First one with FanSpeak rankings and second with Matt Miller rankings.

1: R1P9
LB REUBEN FOSTER
ALABAMA

2: R2P9
EDGE TACO CHARLTON
MICHIGAN

3: R3P9
C PAT ELFLEIN
OHIO STATE

4: R4P9
DL MONTRAVIUS ADAMS
AUBURN

5: R4P32
WR ARTAVIS SCOTT
CLEMSON

6: R4P39
OT STORM NORTON
TOLEDO

7: R5P9
RB JOE MIXON
OKLAHOMA

8: R6P9
K ZANE GONZALEZ
ARIZONA STATE

9: R6P33
QB CHAD KELLY
MISSISSIPPI
10: R6P36

S JADAR JOHNSON
CLEMSON
11: R7P9

CB DWAYNE THOMAS
LSU

or

1: R1P9
WR MIKE WILLIAMS
CLEMSON

2: R2P9
DL MALIK MCDOWELL
MICHIGAN STATE

3: R3P9
EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER
FSU

4: R4P9
C ETHAN POCIC
LSU

5: R4P32
RB KAREEM HUNT
TOLEDO

6: R4P39
LB JOSH HARVEY-CLEMONS
LOUISVILLE

7: R5P9
OT J.J. DIELMAN
UTAH

8: R6P9
QB SETH RUSSELL
BAYLOR

9: R6P33
S MONTAE NICHOLSON
MICHIGAN STATE

10: R6P36
G SEAN HARLOW
OREGON STATE

11: R7P9
K JAKE ELLIOTT
MEMPHIS

[Whatever]

(02-10-2017, 03:00 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: More often than not, first round picks sit the bench under Marvin Lewis.  If you're hoping for a Day 1 starter @ #9, Marvin's history indicates you will be disappointed.  What college DE doesn't need to get stronger for the NFL?  If someone needs to get stronger you can just say that rather than "has poor functional strength and a lot of bad weight."  I've always thought it is was a silly and redundant draft term.  What weight does James Harrison play LBer at?  What DE do you think the Bengals will draft that is going to come in a be a Day 1 starter of the over-rated Michael Johnson?  Hell, Geno Atkins had to sit behind Tank Johnson for a year.  Outside of possibly two DEs in this draft class, any DE the Bengals draft will be a situational pass rusher as part of the rotation.  



Samuel can be used as a more talented Artrell Hawkins who can also return punts and kicks and rotate as a HB until Gio is ready to return.  Hell, just let him run slants out of the slot or screens out of the backfield and let him use his speed for RAC.  Or just have him run deep like Chris Henry.

If Samuel sucks at picking up the blitz then the coaches shouldn't set him up for failure.


Both played G and T in college.  Both were/are projected to play G or T in the NFL.  If either of them had a "natural" position, they wouldn't have played both positions in college and been projected to play both in the NFL.  If Fisher is a "natural" T, why do they insist upon using him as a TE?


Pretty simple.  When is the last time the Bengals made it through a season without a CB going down with an injury?  Dennard and WJIII have a combined 4 starts between them and one of those two doesn't have any NFL statistics at all. Plus I believe Adoree is a better fit as a nickel CB than Dennard or WJIII.  That's just my personal opinion.  That doesn't mean I don't think Dennard or WJIII can't play nickel CB, I just think Adoree would be a better match up against an Edelman type slot receiver.  Plus he has added value as a return man the coaches can occasionally use of offense in a 3 or 4 WR set. His versatility helps protect the team against injury at other positions.


What makes these "good"?

Generally under Marvin, top 10 picks start immediately.  The lone exception to that would be Andre, and iirc, that was due to holdout/injury.  That's another reason I'm not keen on trading down.  You're sacrificing a year one starter in all likelihood by trading out of the top 10.  Thomas would likely be starting by the halfway point of the year if he didn't win the job in camp.  Barnett, who I'm not high on, or Charlton likely start by the end of the year, although both are likely reaches.  If you look at other position groups, Foster, who I'm also not wild about, or Cunningham, who would be a reach, start immediately at LB.  Jamal Adams likely starts day 1 at S.  Cook or Fornette start immediately at RB.  Williams or Davis start at WR.  

Samuel is more of a body catcher than a hands catcher, and Andy had issues keeping passes down to Hawkins.  I see a bunch of high throws bouncing off Samuel's hands and into the arms of waiting defenders.  Aside from as a returner, he's a guy you're going to have to diagram plays up for to get the ball in his hands like jet sweeps, reverses, etc.  I'm not sure that Zampese can utilize him to the best of his ability.  Burkhead was used in a similar RB/WR hybrid role, and they had trouble getting him touches.

Fisher is more of a finesse player with better feet.  Moton is a great in line blocker and has bad feet.  Lots of colleges start young players at G and then move them to T or C.

If we apply the same logic you used to defend the McKinley pick about Marvin not playing rookies, you have your answer. A rookie 3rd rounder isn't going to play nickel corner over a former 1st round pick, a third year man who's seen significant playing time in the role, and a 3rd rounder with a year in the system.

Walker helps us get a little faster at LB, and may take over at WILL if Burfict leaves in FA next year.  Elflein would get a year to develop and hopefully take over for Bodine next year.  Reynolds reminds me a little of Marvin Jones, and could be our #2 in a year or two.  

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-10-2017, 10:08 PM)Whatever Wrote: Generally under Marvin, top 10 picks start immediately.  The lone exception to that would be Andre, and iirc, that was due to holdout/injury.  That's another reason I'm not keen on trading down.  You're sacrificing a year one starter in all likelihood by trading out of the top 10.  Thomas would likely be starting by the halfway point of the year if he didn't win the job in camp.  Barnett, who I'm not high on, or Charlton likely start by the end of the year, although both are likely reaches.  If you look at other position groups, Foster, who I'm also not wild about, or Cunningham, who would be a reach, start immediately at LB.  Jamal Adams likely starts day 1 at S.  Cook or Fornette start immediately at RB.  Williams or Davis start at WR.  

Samuel is more of a body catcher than a hands catcher, and Andy had issues keeping passes down to Hawkins.  I see a bunch of high throws bouncing off Samuel's hands and into the arms of waiting defenders.  Aside from as a returner, he's a guy you're going to have to diagram plays up for to get the ball in his hands like jet sweeps, reverses, etc.  I'm not sure that Zampese can utilize him to the best of his ability.  Burkhead was used in a similar RB/WR hybrid role, and they had trouble getting him touches.

Fisher is more of a finesse player with better feet.  Moton is a great in line blocker and has bad feet.  Lots of colleges start young players at G and then move them to T or C.

If we apply the same logic you used to defend the McKinley pick about Marvin not playing rookies, you have your answer. A rookie 3rd rounder isn't going to play nickel corner over a former 1st round pick, a third year man who's seen significant playing time in the role, and a 3rd rounder with a year in the system.

Walker helps us get a little faster at LB, and may take over at WILL if Burfict leaves in FA next year.  Elflein would get a year to develop and hopefully take over for Bodine next year.  Reynolds reminds me a little of Marvin Jones, and could be our #2 in a year or two.  

First of all, Carson Palmer rode the pine his rookie season. Teams picking in the Top 10 are generally more shitty than teams not picking in the Top 10 and the reason they are generally shittier teams is the quality of the roster. Thus there is a greater opportunity for Top 10 talent to start on the shittiest teams with the shittiest roster. In other news, water is wet and fire is hot. 

Second, read Solomon Thomas' draft profile @ NFL.com. They question his size and strength. Basically, the same questions you raised about McKinley. Like I wrote earlier, aside from possibly two DEs in this class they all have those questions. Stating Thomas (with the question about his size and strength) will win the starting jobs in camp or by mid-season while McKinley would be a disappointment with his questionable size and strength is nothing more than self deluded speculation. 

Michael Irvin caught the ball with his body and teaches NFL receivers to catch with their body. 

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2015/12/18/michael-irvins-theory-dez-bryant-struggles-lambeau-field

Fisher has better feet to pull. Motor has better power to drive block. Fisher at RG and Moton at RT is reminiscent of Zeitler and Smith. 

Who was playing nickel CB when Dennard and WJIII were both injured? Plus, Dennard is entering his 4th season and the Bengals have until May to decide if they will pick up his 5th year option. So like it or not, the Bengals need to draft a CB.


Since you don't get the Adoree pick I'll break it down:
1 He is a good prospect. 
2 CB is a premier position.
3 He fills a need, adds depth, and upgrades the CB group overall. 
4 He protects against injury. 
5 He protects against the loss of Dennard after next season if the Bengals don't pick up his 5th year option. 
6 He provides added value as a return specialist and occasional WR. 
7 His cap hit would be significantly less than a comparable FA CB. 
8 His name is Adoree. 
9 I'm starting to dig the fact you don't understand any of the above reasons. 

Finally, the reason you thought Walker, Hill, and Reynolds were good picks, McKinley and Samuel were disappointments, and you didn't understand the Adoree pick is: opinion. Which you're starting to confuse with fact. 

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(02-09-2017, 05:01 PM)seahawkscheat Wrote: 9: R1P9
RB DALVIN COOK
FLORIDA STATE
41: R2P9
G DAN FEENEY
INDIANA
73: R3P9
EDGE JORDAN WILLIS
KANSAS STATE
114: R4P9
C ETHAN POCIC
LSU
137: R4P32
LB HARDY NICKERSON
ILLINOIS
144: R4P39
S MARCUS MAYE
FLORIDA
154: R5P9
WR CHAD HANSEN
CALIFORNIA
194: R6P9
OT J.J. DIELMAN
UTAH
218: R6P33
DL KENNY BIGELOW JR.
USC
221: R6P36
LB BEN BOULWARE
CLEMSON
230: R7P9
CB DWAYNE THOMAS
LSU

This is one of my faves thus far...Three immediate starters and more to push for starting time.