Joe Mixon or Dalvin Cook?

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-28-2017, 01:01 PM)Gamma Ray Tan Wrote: From San Diego St. He broke all of Marshall Faulk's rushing records. Small/slasher type of back, but hard to tackle and has good speed and hands. Definitely not a prototypical NFL back, but he could definitely do some damage with the ball in his hands.

I like it, nice sleeper pick, i will have to watch some Pomphrey vids now GRT. Thanks. :andy:

[WeezyBengal]

(04-28-2017, 11:49 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If this team drafts Mixon I will 100% be done with this team. You can delete this account. An absolutely disgusting human being.

A man who does that to a woman ain't no man. He ought to be taken out back and put down. **** that piece of shit and **** anyone who makes excuses for him.

So what youre saying is that you hope the Bengals draft Mixon? 

[samhain]

Cook. He just seems like a player that lives for football and not much else.

As for character, there's still a chance that you can convince Cook to leave his entourage in Florida. Maybe not, but the possibility exists. Mixon can't unbreak that girl's face.

I'm not leaving the team or shaming them for drafting Mixon. If they take him then they get what I believe will be a terrific football player with a ton of baggage. I'd rather just avoid it if possible. I like Cook better as a player anyway.

[Au165]

(04-28-2017, 01:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That was terribly pathetic and anyone defending it is wrong. Mixon didn't defend it.

I don't like how it was handled by Oklahoma either.

I am not defending it. The guy is a great RB though. Best vision in a decade with the hands of a receiver.

Whats to defend? He was wrong, he was punished by our judicial system as well as his university. The guys life isn't over, he still must work and this is his profession. Employers can choose not to hire him the same way that your place of business can choose not to hire someone with a criminal record. I would bet if you looked around your place of employment there are people with various criminal pasts (DUI, Drugs,etc) that you like that you don't hold their past transgressions against them.

The issue is in sports, people vicariously live through the athletes and in turn have issues at times excepting that some are not great people because they feel it somehow reflects on them as a person. I know someone who plays in the NFL, he said there are plenty of shitty people in the NFL, the fans just don't know they are shitty. The reality is we don't necessarily care athletes are shitty, we simply don't want to know they are shitty people.

[Wes Mantooth]

(04-28-2017, 12:59 PM)Au165 Wrote: The moral high ground argument, always entertaining to watch.

A sports fan either so blinded by on the field success, or lacking any empathy, coming to the defense of a man who knocked a teenage girl unconcious, always sickening to see.

But yeah, it was just self defense. He needed to throw a haymaker to stop a 100 pound girl from shoving in the chest. Seems reasonable. But you know, they did start it. A college female in 2017 and her gay friend are exactly the type of people who start harassing people with unprovoked racial slurs. I buy that. And forget the fact he followed them in, they provoked the whole thing and were clearly a threat to his safety. 

If any of you saw that go down in front of you in your local sandwich shop, and it wasn't an athlete, and it was just some random white dude that laid a woman out for absolutely no reason you'd be appalled. And if you claim you wouldn't then you're either a liar or an equally big scumbag.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-28-2017, 01:09 PM)samhain Wrote: Cook.  He just seems like a player that lives for football and not much else.  

As for character, there's still a chance that you can convince Cook to leave his entourage in Florida.  Maybe not, but the possibility exists.  Mixon can't unbreak that girl's face.  

I'm not leaving the team or shaming them for drafting Mixon.  If they take him then they get what I believe will be a terrific football player with a ton of baggage.  I'd rather just avoid it if possible.  I like Cook better as a player anyway.

We need to cut Adam for this very reason. If we do draft Cook, Adam is a terrible influence
who has always put the wrong people around him. Same with Cook but Adam might be the
terrible influence of the other people around him lol.

[Marlon23]

(04-28-2017, 12:47 PM)Millhouse Wrote: She barely slapped him. His response was a punch that knocked her down & her head hit the table which put her in surgery for 8 hours leaving her jaws wired shut.

To answer the question, absolutely not in this case (and vast majority of cases unless a life is threatened)

Agreed.

[Shake n Blake]

(04-28-2017, 12:36 PM)Marlon23 Wrote: Well lets just jump into the dirty pool shall we... Did she deserve to be hit?  When is ok to for a man to defend themselves in this case?  He surely could have used less force I would think..  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoTXImRJS2k

That was hard to watch. Yikes.

[Marlon23]

(04-28-2017, 01:12 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: A sports fan either so blinded by on the field success, coming to the defensive of a man who knocked a teenage girl unconcious, always sickening to see.

But yeah, it was just self defense. He needed to throw a haymaker to stop a 100 pound girl from shoving in the chest. Seems reasonable. But you know, they did start it. A college female in 2017 and her gay friend are exactly the type of people who start harassing people with unprovoked racial slurs. I buy that. And forget the fact he followed them in, they provoked the whole thing and were clearly a threat to his safety. 

If any of you saw that go down in front of you in your local sandwich shop, and it wasn't an athlete, and it was just some random white dude that laid a woman out for absolutely no reason you'd be appalled. And if you claim you wouldn't then you're either a liar or an equally big scumbag.

Yeah, I think in general we put blinders on when it is someone semi famous or a sports player.  If it was the homeless guy beating your mom most people on here wouldn't be so forgiving.  Nice Post Wes Mantooth.  

[Au165]

(04-28-2017, 01:12 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: A sports fan either so blinded by on the field success, coming to the defensive of a man who knocked a teenage girl unconcious, always sickening to see.

But yeah, it was just self defense. He needed to throw a haymaker to stop a 100 pound girl from shoving in the chest. Seems reasonable. But you know, they did start it. A college female in 2017 and her gay friend are exactly the type of people who start harrassing people with unprovoked racial slurs. I buy that. And forget the fact he followed them in, they provoked the whole thing are we're clearly a threat to his safety. 

If any of you saw that go down in front of you in your local sandwich shop, and it wasn't an athlete and it was just some white dude that laid a woman out for absolutely no reason you'd be appalled. And if you claim you wouldn't then you're a liar or an equally big scumbag.

Did I say he didn't do it? Did I say it was self defense? What is the punishment for this crime? Is it the death penalty? Is it life in prison? Did he complete the assigned punishment?

So with all of that understood I will say I am not so pious to believe that I am equipped to determine how much more punishment someone deserves beyond what was assigned by someone trained to do so. I am not running out to hang out with the guy, but it's a football team not a reflection of me. It simply is a group of guys I choose to watch compete, his moral standing beyond being in good standing with the law has no bearing on me or my values.

[Marlon23]

(04-28-2017, 01:13 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: That was hard to watch. Yikes.

Yeah, I don't want the guy on the team!  Everyone makes mistakes, however.  

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(04-28-2017, 01:12 PM)Au165 Wrote: Whats to defend? He was wrong, he was punished by our judicial system as well as his university. The guys life isn't over, he still must work and this is his profession. Employers can choose not to hire him the same way that your place of business can choose not to hire someone with a criminal record. I would bet if you looked around your place of employment there are people with various criminal pasts (DUI, Drugs,etc) that you like that you don't hold their past transgressions against them.

The issue is in sports, people vicariously live through the athletes and in turn have issues at times excepting that some are not great people because they feel it somehow reflects on them as a person. I know someone who plays in the NFL, he said there are plenty of shitty people in the NFL, the fans just don't know they are shitty. The reality is we don't necessarily care athletes are shitty, we simply don't want to know they are shitty people.

Getting busted with a little rope or blow is one thing.....decking a teenage chick is another.....

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-28-2017, 01:12 PM)Au165 Wrote: Whats to defend? He was wrong, he was punished by our judicial system as well as his university. The guys life isn't over, he still must work and this is his profession. Employers can choose not to hire him the same way that your place of business can choose not to hire someone with a criminal record. I would bet if you looked around your place of employment there are people with various criminal pasts (DUI, Drugs,etc) that you like that you don't hold their past transgressions against them.

The issue is in sports, people vicariously live through the athletes and in turn have issues at times excepting that some are not great people because they feel it somehow reflects on them as a person. I know someone who plays in the NFL, he said there are plenty of shitty people in the NFL, the fans just don't know they are shitty. The reality is we don't necessarily care athletes are shitty, we simply don't want to know they are shitty people.

Great post, completely agree with everything you say.

In the end we care about our team. Still would rather not have a shitty person on it but in the end these guys
have to play the game and both of these guys are great at it. Plus it is not what you done in the past, it is if you
learned from those mistakes.

I honestly think both of these guys have. But i could be wrong and Wes could be right and this guy will go on
punching women, doubt it though.

[Au165]

(04-28-2017, 01:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: Getting busted with a little rope or blow is one thing.....decking a teenage chick is another.....

And this is moral relativity and one of the issues. What your saying is serving your punishment for one is somehow retribution but not for another. The punishment is different in crimes because the crimes are different and the required penance to make the "state" whole is different. In both situations the judicial system believes both criminals completed their punishment.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-28-2017, 01:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: Getting busted with a little rope or blow is one thing.....decking a teenage chick is another.....

True, but Mixon was a teenager too. lets not act like he just did this last year. It was like 3 years ago.

Heard Hill punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach and sexually assaulted another girl when he was younger.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(04-28-2017, 01:24 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: True, but Mixon was a teenager too. lets not act like he just did this last year. It was like 3 years ago.

Heard Hill punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach and sexually assaulted another girl when he was younger.

.....and I'm not much on Jeremy Hill either....

FWIW, I think the younger incident was a statutory rape deal....he was like 18, and the girl 15....or something like that.

[*ochocincos*]

Great, yet another thread that has evolved into a debate over how terrible of a human Joe Mixon is. Can't that debate just be contained to the long-existing thread(s)?

[CJD]

(04-28-2017, 01:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: Getting busted with a little rope or blow is one thing.....decking a teenage chick is another.....

What about decking a racist that was intentionally antagonizing, pushing, grabbing and yelling at you?

I'm not one to ever say violence is the answer to anything, whether its man on man, man on woman or whatever.

I'm just tired of people acting like this girl was some helpless victim that Mixon just walked up to and attacked. She started the shit but, obviously, was incapable of ending it. If she had known that prior to calling him the N Word, pushing on him and yelling in his face over and over again, maybe her jaw would have never been dislodged.

As a culture, we really need to stop treating women like they should not be held responsible for their aggression. She should have been arrested, but she was, literally, too weak to do the damage to him that she clearly wanted to.

He didn't have that problem.

Don't start none, won't be none.

do I think he should have hit her? No.

But I don't think he's a disgusting human being for disposing of another disgusting human being in the manner that he saw most fit.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-28-2017, 01:26 PM)Wyche Wrote: .....and I'm not much on Jeremy Hill either....

FWIW, I think the younger incident was a statutory rape deal....he was like 18, and the girl 15....or something like that.

Yeah, now i remember.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-28-2017, 01:28 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Great, yet another thread that has evolved into a debate over how terrible of a human Joe Mixon is. Can't that debate just be contained to the long-existing thread(s)?

Wes did it.