CBS Power Rankings

[BmorePat87]

(08-07-2015, 05:35 PM)MrRager Wrote: Can we please get on track here and talk about the power rankings? This is getting ridiculous.

Ravens on top cause they're the best. /Thread.

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-07-2015, 05:45 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Ravens on top cause they're the best. /Thread.

About 2/3rds of the way through this season, you're going to be very sad. 

[BmorePat87]

(08-08-2015, 12:04 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: About 2/3rds of the way through this season, you're going to be very sad. 

Yea, because there'll only be 1/3rd of the season left (plus the 3 or 4 playoff games the Ravens will play).

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-08-2015, 12:12 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yea, because there'll only be 1/3rd of the season left (plus the 3 or 4 playoff games the Ravens will play).

[JS-Steelerfan]

(07-29-2015, 04:17 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: I'm not saying he is the best, I'm saying he was the best in the second half of the year last year, which statistics back up.

He outperformed any back in the second half of the year, which you can pull our game tape to see, and also notice that the backs ahead of him had better QBs to keep defenses from loading the box (except for maybe Arian Foster, but Hill had a better second half of the year compared to Foster's entire year).

I see what you're saying about having Hill do it for 16 games, but there's no reason to think he can't.

This seems like a good way to get you back to talking football in this thread, Brad. 

You're putting WAAAY to much emphasis on Hill having the highest rushing total in the last half.  First of all, half a season is not much to go on when you are predicting a guy to be as dominant as you think Hill will be.  Built secondly, you failed to consider two things: consistency and competition.  

First, consistency.  In Hill's best four games of the final eight, he averaged 136 ypg.  In his worst four, he averaged 57.  That's a pretty big swing, and suggests that while he had four exceptional games in that stretch, the other four were below average.  In other words, you're not really basing your opinion of Hill on eight games, you're basing it on four, because he was lousy in the other four.

Secondly, the competition.  The Bengals played five teams in those last eight games against teams that ranked in the bottom fourth of the league in rushing yards relinquished per attempt.*  they only faced three teams in the top ten, and while Hill had one really good game out of those three (148 yards against Denver), the other two were substandard (87 and 40 against Houston and Tampa Bay, respectively).  

So, you are basing your prediction of Hill as a dominant runner who will transform the Bengals offense on an inconsistent performance against mostly substandard competition that everyone in the league ran well against.  Good luck with that.

* In ranking opposing running D's I used ypa rather than ypg because I think it's a more accurate measure of a team's ability to stop the run.  The Steelers, for example, gave up among the least rushing yards per game, but only because teams didn't run on them as much on them because the passing d was soft. They only ranked 25th in ypa, however.  They didn't give up many total yards, but when teams did run a lot against them, they had success.

[BFritz21]

(08-09-2015, 12:49 AM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: This seems like a good way to get you back to talking football in this thread, Brad. 

You're putting WAAAY to much emphasis on Hill having the highest rushing total in the last half.  First of all, half a season is not much to go on when you are predicting a guy to be as dominant as you think Hill will be.  Built secondly, you failed to consider two things: consistency and competition.  

First, consistency.  In Hill's best four games of the final eight, he averaged 136 ypg.  In his worst four, he averaged 57.  That's a pretty big swing, and suggests that while he had four exceptional games in that stretch, the other four were below average.  In other words, you're not really basing your opinion of Hill on eight games, you're basing it on four, because he was lousy in the other four.  

Secondly, the competition.  The Bengals played five teams in those last eight games against teams that ranked in the bottom fourth of the league in rushing yards relinquished per attempt.*  they only faced three teams in the top ten, and while Hill had one really good game out of those three (148 yards against Denver), the other two were substandard (87 and 40 against Houston and Tampa Bay, respectively).  

So, you are basing your prediction of Hill as a dominant runner who will transform the Bengals offense on an inconsistent performance against mostly substandard competition that everyone in the league ran well against.  Good luck with that.

* In ranking opposing running D's I used ypa rather than ypg because I think it's a more accurate measure of a team's ability to stop the run.  The Steelers, for example, gave up among the least rushing yards per game, but only because teams didn't run on them as much on them because the passing d was soft. They only ranked 25th in ypa, however.  They didn't give up many total yards, but when teams did run a lot against them, they had success.

In the four of the final eight games you're referencing, he had only 8, 12, 13, and 18 carries in the stretch that you're referring to as him struggling, one of which, the 18 carry game, he had 87 yards on a 4.8 YPC average, so that's something to heavily consider.  It suggests, perhaps, that he gets stronger as the game goes on, whereas the defense gets weaker.  If you'd like to suggest the average is skewed by a long run, then I'd say that he just wears a defense down until he breaks a big one.  Either way, the D has to sell-out to stop him.  

Hill's YPA only dipped below 4 in one game in the last 8, and it was one the game where he only had 13 carries (against the team that was also ranked 7th in YPC given up).

Hill also did that with so many injuries to our receivers and tight end that it was hard to keep a defense honest, which is something that also has to be taken into consideration.

I feel good about Hill's ability to dominate.

[JS-Steelerfan]

(08-09-2015, 03:57 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: In the four of the final eight games you're referencing, he had only 8, 12, 13, and 18 carries in the stretch that you're referring to as him struggling, one of which, the 18 carry game, he had 87 yards on a 4.8 YPC average, so that's something to heavily consider.  It suggests, perhaps, that he gets stronger as the game goes on, whereas the defense gets weaker.  If you'd like to suggest the average is skewed by a long run, then I'd say that he just wears a defense down until he breaks a big one.  Either way, the D has to sell-out to stop him.  

Hill's YPA only dipped below 4 in one game in the last 8, and it was one the game where he only had 13 carries (against the team that was also ranked 7th in YPC given up).

Hill also did that with so many injuries to our receivers and tight end that it was hard to keep a defense honest, which is something that also has to be taken into consideration.

I feel good about Hill's ability to dominate.

I feel good about your ability to delude yourself.  

[BFritz21]

(08-09-2015, 05:53 AM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: I feel good about your ability to delude yourself.  

Good comeback in a debate