Sooooooooooooooooooooo ... Randy Bullock

[SunsetBengal]

(11-20-2017, 06:32 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: How can you call him garbage...  he tried to help you win money.

Well, he didn't have to try very hard.  In fact, you could actually say that he did nothing..

[Beaker]

(11-20-2017, 07:15 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: We've missed in the draft more than hit the last couple years 

2015: Kroft, Shaw

2016: Jackson, Boyd, Vigil, Billings, Fedejelem

2017: Mixon, Willis, Lawson, Malone, Glasgow, Evans

[*bengalfan74*]

(11-20-2017, 08:16 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Bullock has been bad lately and they should probably look for another option, but we all need to live in reality and remember that Elliott lost the job himself.

Elliott is not the answer.

He has played in 9 regular season games this year. He has missed a kick in 6 of them.

Jake Elliott has missed at least one kick in 66.7% of the games he has played in.

He kicked some long FGs, but otherwise he has been BAD. The Eagles just score enough that their kicker being hella-inaccurate doesn't really matter. Marvin Lewis teams almost always play close games due to conservative play with a lead, and Elliott's inaccuracy would matter a ton here.

If Jake Elliott was missing this many kicks for the Bengals, everyone pining for him now would be torch in hand for his head.

^This^

Remember that feeling you got when you saw Nugent trotting out ? It's the same feeling with either one of these guys.

[*Awful Llama*]

(11-20-2017, 08:16 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Bullock has been bad lately and they should probably look for another option, but we all need to live in reality and remember that Elliott lost the job himself.

Elliott is not the answer.

He has played in 9 regular season games this year. He has missed a kick in 6 of them.

Jake Elliott has missed at least one kick in 66.7% of the games he has played in.

He kicked some long FGs, but otherwise he has been BAD. The Eagles just score enough that their kicker being hella-inaccurate doesn't really matter. Marvin Lewis teams almost always play close games due to conservative play with a lead, and Elliott's inaccuracy would matter a ton here.

If Jake Elliott was missing this many kicks for the Bengals, everyone pining for him now would be torch in hand for his head.

You know this fanbase well.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(11-20-2017, 08:35 PM)Beaker Wrote: 2015: Kroft, Shaw

2016: Jackson, Boyd, Vigil, Billings, Fedejelem

2017: Mixon, Willis, Lawson, Malone, Glasgow, Evans

Kroft: 3rd round pick who took 3 years to surpass 250 career yards receiving.
*Shaw: Solid #4 CB.

*Jackson: He looks like a keeper if he stops it with the stupid plays here and there.
Boyd: Sucks, has been a healthy scratch this year, is now hurt.
Vigil: Sucks
Billings: Sucks
Fej: Decent ST player, which is fine for a 7th rounder, but nothing to crow about.

Mixon: Averaging 2.9 YPC, just had a 20 carry/49 yard, 2 catch/0 yard game.
Willis: 3rd rounder DE who's on pace for a 1.5 sack season.
*Lawson: Looks like a pretty nice hit as a pass rush specialist.
Malone: Is on pace for a 6.4 catch/86.4 yard/1.6 TD season.
Glasgow: Sucks
Evans: Has done next to nothing all year.

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I feel like in '16 and '17, you just started listing everyone who's made the roster rather than people who are actually any good.

You listed 13 picks, I see 3 GOOD ones out of that list... and that's out of 27 overall picks those three years and I guess you just gave up on even trying to salvage '14.

Combine that with the list of everyone they've lost in that timespan (Whit, Nelson, M Jones, Zeitler) and the fact that they've completely ignored improving in FA (as usual) and it's ugly.

[*Go Cards*]

(11-20-2017, 05:42 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: He is trash. Should have kept Elliot. More upside, younger, and you freaking drafted him in like the 5th round.

Bengals are so stupid.

This 

Plus now we will be spending another draft pick on a kicker it appears. 

[Steve]

(11-20-2017, 05:26 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: I’m wondering if his back still isn’t an issue, missed XP’s both games since coming back. Maybe he rushed back for fear of losing his job

Also Elliott could be available when the Eagles kicker gets healthy, if so I’d swap him out in a second

i'm not sure if this is true or not.....
but I heard Elliot & Tonya Harding hit him in the knee w/ a metal pipe about 3 weeks ago....

[Vas Deferens]

(11-20-2017, 10:23 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Vigil: Sucks

I get that you are making a point, and I agree we've shit our proverbial pants in the draft far too often. But you are better than this assessment. Dude is in and around way more plays than I expected him to be regardless of the draft reach.

Our scouting team of 3 maybe 4 is handcuffed by being stretched much too thin, but the vigil pick is one I believe is already paying off.

Regardless. Screw Mikey. Screw Katie. Screw Marvey. Screw Randy. Hope 2 of the 4 find good work digging half ass ditches elsewhere in the future. The other 2 can rot in their own undead nepotistic grave for all I care.

[Shake n Blake]

Bullock has missed 4 kicks and Elliott has missed 7. Their percentages are nearly identical. People keep bringing up range, but we rarely attempt 55+ yard FGs, preferring to punt for position.

I've never seen so much hand wringing over a truly mediocre kicker. I like to believe we have some very intelligent football fans around here, but stuff like this makes me scratch my head.

If yall really are so distraught about losing a future kicking legend, I'm pretty sure the Eagles are going to cut him when their guy gets healthy. I don't care either way. They're both young mediocre kickers. Elliott has more range, but seems prone to missing "gimmies"...If that floats your boat, he's your man.

[Beaker]

(11-20-2017, 10:23 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Kroft: 3rd round pick who took 3 years to surpass 250 career yards receiving.
*Shaw: Solid #4 CB.

*Jackson: He looks like a keeper if he stops it with the stupid plays here and there.
Boyd: Sucks, has been a healthy scratch this year, is now hurt.
Vigil: Sucks
Billings: Sucks
Fej: Decent ST player, which is fine for a 7th rounder, but nothing to crow about.

Mixon: Averaging 2.9 YPC, just had a 20 carry/49 yard, 2 catch/0 yard game.
Willis: 3rd rounder DE who's on pace for a 1.5 sack season.
*Lawson: Looks like a pretty nice hit as a pass rush specialist.
Malone: Is on pace for a 6.4 catch/86.4 yard/1.6 TD season.
Glasgow: Sucks
Evans: Has done next to nothing all year.

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I feel like in '16 and '17, you just started listing everyone who's made the roster rather than people who are actually any good.

You listed 13 picks, I see 3 GOOD ones out of that list... and that's out of 27 overall picks those three years and I guess you just gave up on even trying to salvage '14.

Combine that with the list of everyone they've lost in that timespan (Whit, Nelson, M Jones, Zeitler) and the fact that they've completely ignored improving in FA (as usual) and it's ugly.

You see 3 good on that list. I see many more. I don't agree with your assessments. As you know, it takes 3 years to get a good handle on evaluating a draft. Most of these players are in their 1st or 2nd year, and to me, show promise of being good now and getting better. I chose these 3 drafts because the poster I replied to specifically said "in the past couple years". We could go back and forth about defending why you think they suck, but I don't....but that would be a fruitless circular exercise where we would have to end up agreeing to disagree. Instead we will have to wait another few years to see. I say the Bengals have gotten some very good talent, and on top of that are playing those guys ad getting them good early experience. My guess would be that you are way less patient than me, and are evaluating normal rookie growing pains as "sucks". We shall see together.

[reuben.ahmed]

Never liked bullock regardless of stats (which in this situation some might think all that mattered!). He will continue to perform poorly in inclement weather. An unpredictable natural hook shot is tougher with wind and uncertain footing.

There's also something about chubby people (takes one to know one), that they might be lazy and not want to perfect their craft.

[HarleyDog]

Bring in Ocho Cinco to kick fg’s for us.

[Sled21]

(11-20-2017, 06:59 PM)thillan Wrote: So yes, this thread has plenty of merit. He's a solid young kicker, with plenty of room to grow. But yeah, let's take Bullock.

This thread has ZERO merit. I was wanting Elliott to win the competition, as I thought his ball flight was higher and he had more upside. That said, Bullock clearly won the kicking contest. So this thread has zero merit. You (You, being in general, not specific to anyone) either want competition for spots and for the guy who wins the competition to play, or you don't. And if you don't, then you cannot whine about Marvin playing the vets instead of the rookies and all that crap. You can't have it both ways.....well, you can, but you're just laying your hypocrisy open for he world to see. And you can't wait until you see how something turns out, and then act like you wanted to do it the other way, because you just sound like the "know it all" in the bar who is always the loudest and reveals he actually knows the least about the game.

[*SHRacerX*]

(11-20-2017, 05:24 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I fully admit, I was Team Elliot this preseason. I also fully admit that Bullock performed better. I also admit I expected more out of this team than they've performed to date and so I understood going with the "win now" guy.

However, based on his recent play, I gotta say, I wish we had kept Elliot. There would have been growing pains, sure, but if we're going to have a guy that misses, at least, let's have a guy who can kick the hell out of the ball that could potentially be here for a long while.

Uh, I believe it is pronounced "Fat Randy"

[Sled21]

(11-20-2017, 05:24 PM)PhilHos Wrote: There would have been growing pains, sure, but if we're going to have a guy that misses, at least, let's have a guy who can kick the hell out of the ball that could potentially be here for a long while.

Unless I am remembering wrong, wasn't leg strength one of the things people on here were criticizing Elliott for?????????

[Utts]

(11-21-2017, 07:25 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: There's also something about chubby people (takes one to know one), that they might be lazy and not want to perfect their craft.

I'm suddenly inspired to write a song titled "Chubby Placekicker", to the tune of Beauty School Dropout. Thanks ... for nothing!

[sonofstat]

(11-21-2017, 02:17 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Bullock has missed 4 kicks and Elliott has missed 7. Their percentages are nearly identical. People keep bringing up range, but we rarely attempt 55+ yard FGs, preferring to punt for position.

I've never seen so much hand wringing over a truly mediocre kicker. I like to believe we have some very intelligent football fans around here, but stuff like this makes me scratch my head.

If yall really are so distraught about losing a future kicking legend, I'm pretty sure the Eagles are going to cut him when their guy gets healthy. I don't care either way. They're both young mediocre kickers. Elliott has more range, but seems prone to missing "gimmies"...If that floats your boat, he's your man.

to be fair Shake its already been a tough season and we need something to talk about......but, yes it feels like choosing between a kick in the balls or a punch in the face.

If there is handwringing to be done it should probably be for Simmons. 

I agree completely with the straight up kicking competition in camp/preseason...can't say fairer then that approach but its looking like going with those 2 as the kickers for that competition was flawed from the outset.

PS ; I do think Bullock is being hampered right now by the injury ...even the kicks he does make are consistently hooking left

[BleedNOrange]

(11-20-2017, 05:42 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: He is trash. Should have kept Elliot. More upside, younger, and you freaking drafted him in like the 5th round.

Bengals are so stupid.

Hindsight is always 20/20.  To be fair, Bullock won the kicking competition in the pre-season.  I don't know how the Bengals could say that it's an open competition and then stick with Elliot.  

[Sled21]

(11-22-2017, 10:24 AM)BleedNOrange Wrote: Hindsight is always 20/20.  To be fair, Bullock won the kicking competition in the pre-season.  I don't know how the Bengals could say that it's an open competition and then stick with Elliot.  

They couldn't. They did what everyone here always says they want them to do, they had a competition and the job went to the guys who performed the best, even though one was drafted. Then, they tried to stick Elliott on the practice squad, but he was claimed. There is no way, if you are being fair, that anyone can criticize this. There are more than enough legitimate gripes about this coaching staff to complain about, without this kind of crap.

[Beaker]

A bad back really does mess with a kicker. I think Bulock is decent....and probably a better choice than Elliott. But he does seem to be pushing everything a bit left since coming back from his injury. I hope he feels better quickly.

PS. I loved what the Eagles did when their K got hurt....just went for 2 after every score.