What's the knock on Preston Brown?

[*bfine32*]

(05-30-2018, 08:35 AM)BengalD Wrote: To have Tez, Brown and Vigil on the field at the same time might be close to having the best LB tandem in the league this year.  Thoughts?

I got your back OP.

For those poking fun at this because of Vigil, you do realize tandem means 2? Nothing wrong with suggesting VB and Brown might be just that. 

[873513]

(05-30-2018, 08:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I got your back OP.

For those poking fun at this because of Vigil, you do realize tandem means 2? Nothing wrong with suggesting VB and Brown might be just that. 

Yeah, except even in their own division.

TJ Watt/Bud Dupree

Suggs/Mosely

So, in their own division they would be 3rd.  But yeah, they may be be the best tandem in the NFL.  

[SunsetBengal]

(05-30-2018, 09:11 PM)873513 Wrote: Yeah, except even in their own division.

TJ Watt/Bud Dupree

Suggs/Mosely

So, in their own division they would be 3rd.  But yeah, they may be be the best tandem in the NFL.  

That would be another fail.  Dupree and Suggs are edge guys.  

[*bfine32*]

(05-30-2018, 09:11 PM)873513 Wrote: Yeah, except even in their own division.

TJ Watt/Bud Dupree

Suggs/Mosely

So, in their own division they would be 3rd.  But yeah, they may be be the best tandem in the NFL.  

Which one is TJ Watt or Bud Dupree better than? You do realize you just tried to claim they were both better LBs than Brown or Burfict don't you?

Suggs was great, but getting a little long in the tooth and pretty much just a sack specialist on a 3-4 defense. CJ Mosely is most likely on par with Burfict.

[*bfine32*]

(05-30-2018, 09:15 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That would be another fail.  Dupree and Suggs are edge guys.  

Crazy thing is dude missed the one team in the AFC North that could be argued to best. Jamie Collins and Joe Scobert are bad men. Hell throw in Christian Kirksey

[*bfine32*]

(05-30-2018, 08:42 AM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Two down thumper who is not a great coverage guy.  That said, an upgrade over Minter, Maualuga, etc.  The issue at LB this year will be the annual Vontaze vacation and getting production from Vigil’s spot.

Dude was on the field for over 99% of the Bills' defensive snaps last year

[TKUHL]

(05-30-2018, 04:10 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: because for some reason we don't like drafting them high.  and the ones we did , Rivers were not very good at all.  and don't tell me he was great before his jaw broke because he was another work out warrior who looked like Tarzan but played like Jane 

Never liked Rivers and really never got the hype. The only LBer that I liked that Marvin drafted(key word) is Thurman. He could have been something else. Burfict, i wish I could find the post but I was convinced he was going to be our best defensive player when we picked him up. Just wish he would try not to get suspended so much and take better care of himself. Seems like he's knocking himself out for at least a couple plays every game.

[TKUHL]

Can't we argue that Lawson is on pace to be just as good as Watt and Mosley, if not better. He's tech a LBer.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(05-30-2018, 10:37 PM)TKUHL Wrote: Can't we argue that Lawson is on pace to be just as good as Watt and Mosley, if not better. He's tech a LBer.

No he's not.


http://www.nfl.com/player/carllawson/2557901/profile
Carl Lawson, DE

http://www.nfl.com/player/terrellsuggs/2505660/profile
Terrell Suggs, LB

http://www.nfl.com/player/c.j.mosley/2543464/profile
CJ Mosley, LB



That is the official position designation according to the NFL. That's also why Carl Lawson had 16 tackles in 16 games and 0 Pdef. He's a DE.

[TKUHL]

(05-30-2018, 10:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: No he's not.


http://www.nfl.com/player/carllawson/2557901/profile
Carl Lawson, DE

http://www.nfl.com/player/terrellsuggs/2505660/profile
Terrell Suggs, LB

http://www.nfl.com/player/c.j.mosley/2543464/profile
CJ Mosley, LB



That is the official position designation according to the NFL. That's also why Carl Lawson had 16 tackles in 16 games and 0 Pdef. He's a DE.

Well I be damned. Thought he was listed as a LBer last year.

[fredtoast]

(05-30-2018, 09:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Dude was on the field for over 99% of the Bills' defensive snaps last year

This.

1098 snaps on defense and another 81 on special teams.

He sat a total of ten plays on defense all year.

[Bengal Dude]

Brown is okay. He’s not spectacular, but he’s not bad. He’s a step up from Minter, at least on paper. I know he’s the league leader in tackles, but tackles are a hard stat to gauge because teams adjust them after watching film. Buffalo is notorious for giving guys a credit for a tackle if they’re near the ball. The beat guys are the ones who reported that.

[Joelist]

He is the NFL tackles leader so the league statistics office is the one deciding how many tackles there were.

[Thundercloud]

Here's an idea! Why don't we watch the guy play a few games before we before we rush to judgement.

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(05-30-2018, 08:42 AM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Two down thumper who is not a great coverage guy.  That said, an upgrade over Minter, Maualuga, etc.  The issue at LB this year will be the annual Vontaze vacation and getting production from Vigil’s spot.

This nails it.  Brown will not be the nickel LB, which is our real base formation, and is set nearly 2/3rds of the time.  Brown will still have to cover some in base, and while he is not the fastest he is very instinctual.  I think the Bills just didn't want to offer him a long term deal for the position he plays without the coverage ability of some of the faster LBs in the league.  

That being said, he is a tremendous upgrade over the aforementioned Minter and Maualuga.  He will also be very helpful in short yardage defense.  

The guy that I would love to see step up is Evans.  He has all the athletic ability and I think he has flashed some of his ability when he gets in to the flow of a game.  Vigil is as good as those around him.  He can't be "the guy" but can be a solid piece around better talent.  

It is, still, in my estimation, our biggest question mark.  

[*ochocincos*]

(05-30-2018, 10:46 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: No he's not.


http://www.nfl.com/player/carllawson/2557901/profile
Carl Lawson, DE

http://www.nfl.com/player/terrellsuggs/2505660/profile
Terrell Suggs, LB

http://www.nfl.com/player/c.j.mosley/2543464/profile
CJ Mosley, LB



That is the official position designation according to the NFL. That's also why Carl Lawson had 16 tackles in 16 games and 0 Pdef. He's a DE.

Carl Lawson is listed as a LB on http://www.bengals.com/team/roster.html
He was also listed as backup SAM on ESPN's depth chart http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/cin/formation/4-3-defense

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(05-31-2018, 09:22 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Carl Lawson is listed as a LB on http://www.bengals.com/team/roster.html
He was also listed as backup SAM on ESPN's depth chart http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/cin/formation/4-3-defense

He also played some off the ball linebacker toward the end of the year when everyone was hurt.

[dr1441]

(05-30-2018, 03:10 PM)873513 Wrote: Bengals fans think Burfict and Brown are better than Bradley Chubb and Von Miller

I'm confused, why would you list two edge rushers in a 3-4 defense and compare them to two linebackers in a 4-3 defense? Maybe you sir, should stop playing Madden and think that you can switch any LB'er out with any other LB'er and their ratings won't change. 

If anyone says that the best linebacker tandem in the league, true linebackers, don't reside in Jacksonville then they haven't watched any amount of football outside of on an Xbox or Playstation. 

[dr1441]

(05-31-2018, 08:24 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: This nails it.  Brown will not be the nickel LB, which is our real base formation, and is set nearly 2/3rds of the time.  Brown will still have to cover some in base, and while he is not the fastest he is very instinctual.  I think the Bills just didn't want to offer him a long term deal for the position he plays without the coverage ability of some of the faster LBs in the league.  

That being said, he is a tremendous upgrade over the aforementioned Minter and Maualuga.  He will also be very helpful in short yardage defense.  

The guy that I would love to see step up is Evans.  He has all the athletic ability and I think he has flashed some of his ability when he gets in to the flow of a game.  Vigil is as good as those around him.  He can't be "the guy" but can be a solid piece around better talent.  

It is, still, in my estimation, our biggest question mark.  

I'm guessing with Austin, if he follows his philosophy that he used in Detroit, then we won't be in nearly as much nickel coverage that we were in under Guenther. He used more of a 4-3 base set and mixed in varied looks. I actually really really really like Austin as a coach and I think he is finally going to be the guy that uses players in todays NFL as they should be used. 

I think we will end up seeing a lot more 3 "safety" looks where Shawn Williams or Illoka are in their specifically to take away the tight ends that have killed us for 20 years now constantly. This will allow Bates to roam like he was drafted for and it lets us put more speed on the field instead of some of these slower linebackers we love to play so much. 

This could all be a big giant wish of mine as well and we could just be the normal Bengals, hell I don't know. But after doing a little more digging in on Austin when we hired him, I really liked what we did with a team that had far less talent than he did in Detroit. 

[Joelist]

(05-31-2018, 08:24 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: This nails it.  Brown will not be the nickel LB, which is our real base formation, and is set nearly 2/3rds of the time.  Brown will still have to cover some in base, and while he is not the fastest he is very instinctual.  I think the Bills just didn't want to offer him a long term deal for the position he plays without the coverage ability of some of the faster LBs in the league.  

That being said, he is a tremendous upgrade over the aforementioned Minter and Maualuga.  He will also be very helpful in short yardage defense.  

The guy that I would love to see step up is Evans.  He has all the athletic ability and I think he has flashed some of his ability when he gets in to the flow of a game.  Vigil is as good as those around him.  He can't be "the guy" but can be a solid piece around better talent.  

It is, still, in my estimation, our biggest question mark.  

Actually this was already refuted upthread. Brown is a three down LB and Buffalo used him exactly in that way.