The Rest of FA & Mock w/ Trades

[c12schleyer]

SIGNED PLAYERS

Name Position Cap Hit
Trey Hopkins G 1,400,000
Preston Brown LB 1,000,000
Darqueze Dennard CB 4,200,000
Josh Shaw CB 1,000,000
Sean Mannion QB 3,500,000
Jimmie Ward S 4,500,000
Gerald McCoy DL 4,500,000


TRADES

TRADE PARTNER:
MINNESOTA VIKINGS
SENT:
• ROUND: 1 PICK: 11
RECEIVED:
• ROUND: 1 PICK: 18
• ROUND: 3 PICK: 17

TRADE PARTNER:
MIAMI DOLPHINS
SENT:
• ANDY DALTON
RECEIVED:
• ROUND: 2 PICK: 16
• ROUND: 4 PICK: 14



MY PICKS
With the trades above, I was able to accumulate three additional picks (an extra 2, 3, and 4). With the holes we need to fill on this team I feel this makes too much sense not to consider. This draft fills the holes on the OL (Risner, Jenkins, Udoh, and Stallings), gives us a QB for the future, replenishes the weak LB corps, and fills in a few needs throughout the rest of the roster without reaching.

18: R1P18
OT DALTON RISNER
KANSAS STATE

42: R2P10
LB MACK WILSON
ALABAMA
48: R2P16
QB DANIEL JONES
DUKE

72: R3P8
S JUAN THORNHILL
VIRGINIA
81: R3P17
C ELGTON JENKINS
MISSISSIPPI STATE

110: R4P8
LB TE'VON CONEY
NOTRE DAME
116: R4P14
TE JACE STERNBERGER
TEXAS A&M

149: R5P11
EDGE SHAREEF MILLER
PENN STATE

183: R6P10
CB JIMMY MORELAND
JAMES MADISON
198: R6P25
CB HAMP CHEEVERS
BOSTON COLLEGE
210: R6P37
OT OLI UDOH
ELON
211: R6P38
DL DEMARCUS CHRISTMAS
FLORIDA STATE
213: R6P40
LB KENDALL JOSEPH
CLEMSON

223: R7P9
G BUNCHY STALLINGS – KENTUCKY

[*psychdoctor*]

I liked your creativity. I like Jones but I also like Stidham better. I do not think trading Dalton this year for 2 & 4 would work. Maybe next year otherwise this year's momentum would stall and struggle to win 3-4 games; the results could be a disaster Taylor's first year.

[c12schleyer]

(03-22-2019, 09:13 AM)psychdoctor Wrote: I liked your creativity. I like Jones but I also like Stidham better. I do not think trading Dalton this year for 2 & 4 would work.  Maybe next year otherwise this year's momentum would stall and struggle to win 3-4 games; the results could be a disaster Taylor's first year.

I understand where you are coming form with Jones.  I like Stidham, but feel like comparing the tape, Jones is a better NFL Talent.  I could be wrong, but he screams of a guy that fits Taylor's scheme.  

To offset the initial learning curve for Jones, I brought in Mannion who is familiar with Taylor and he could provide a bridge to Jones as well as some mentoring.  As much as I hate to say this, I don't know if this team even with a strong draft can compete this year.  I think we are a year away.

[*psychdoctor*]

(03-22-2019, 09:18 AM)c12schleyer Wrote: I understand where you are coming form with Jones.  I like Stidham, but feel like comparing the tape, Jones is a better NFL Talent.  I could be wrong, but he screams of a guy that fits Taylor's scheme.  

To offset the initial learning curve for Jones, I brought in Mannion who is familiar with Taylor and he could provide a bridge to Jones as well as some mentoring.  As much as I hate to say this, I don't know if this team even with a strong draft can compete this year.  I think we are a year away.

I think Jones is very good.  I do not know Mannion well.  I think if Dalton goes, Green should be traded as well.  I know Many will hate me for saying this.  

[c12schleyer]

(03-22-2019, 09:21 AM)psychdoctor Wrote: I think Jones is very good.  I do not know Mannion well.  I think if Dalton goes, Green should be traded as well.  I know Many will hate me for saying this.  

I can understand the stance on that, however, I think Green can excel with a new face at QB.  Dalton hasn't been bad IMO, but typically with a new coach comes a new QB... not always a new WR.  I'm not even sure what we could get for Green, honestly.  We won't get OBJ value and the next step down would be AB value (if you exclude the crazy deal for Cooper last year).

[*ochocincos*]

The only QBs from this draft class I'm interested in are Murray (but legit concerns of him being used properly), Haskins (even though just 1 year experience), and Will Grier.

[c12schleyer]

(03-22-2019, 09:44 AM)ochocincos Wrote: The only QBs from this draft class I'm interested in are Murray (but legit concerns of him being used properly), Haskins (even though just 1 year experience), and Will Grier.

I would take Murray or Haskins as well, but Grier terrifies me.  He has all the arm talent in the world, but the system he played in scares me, he has a tendency to force his hand, and his personality for some reason rubs me the wrong way.  Don't get me wrong, if we took him in the third I would be happy, but scared at the same time.

[c12schleyer]

(03-22-2019, 09:21 AM)psychdoctor Wrote: I think Jones is very good.  I do not know Mannion well.  I think if Dalton goes, Green should be traded as well.  I know Many will hate me for saying this.  

Crazy thought, and this is me being creative again. If we do trade Green... I would love to see a trade in the ball park of this...

Bengals trade-
Green 
#11 pick 

to Raiders

Raiders trade-
#24 pick
#27 pick
#35 pick

[Au165]

(03-22-2019, 10:30 AM)c12schleyer Wrote: Crazy thought, and this is me being creative again. If we do trade Green... I would love to see a trade in the ball park of this...

Bengals trade-
Green 
#11 pick 

to Raiders

Raiders trade-
#24 pick
#27 pick
#35 pick

He wouldn't warrant 1 first round pick let alone two and a high 2nd. He is a 30+ year old WR who has had multiple foot injuries and is due a large contract extension. If you got pick 35 for him it would probably be a good deal. 

[Au165]

Other thing here, the Dolphins just got rid of Ryan Tannehill who is a slightly worse Andy Dalton in favor of finding a young QB this year or next. Why the heck would the trade for Dalton?

[c12schleyer]

(03-22-2019, 10:43 AM)Au165 Wrote: He wouldn't warrant 1 first round pick let alone two and a high 2nd. He is a 30+ year old WR who has had multiple foot injuries and is due a large contract extension. If you got pick 35 for him it would probably be a good deal. 

You're right, he alone wouldn't warrant 2 1sts and a 2nd, but paired up with our 1st the trade makes sense from a value perspective.  The Raiders see that they essentially flip Cooper for Green (upgrade) and use their remaining first and early second to move up 10+ spots in the draft.  It isn't as crazy as it sounds.

[c12schleyer]

(03-22-2019, 10:44 AM)Au165 Wrote: Other thing here, the Dolphins just got rid of Ryan Tannehill who is a slightly worse Andy Dalton in favor of finding a young QB this year or next. Why the heck would the trade for Dalton?

The Dolphins bring in a bridge QB with decent starter experience and no dead cap space if traded or cut.  They can still select their QB of the future in the draft.  It is a stretch I suppose, but I honestly thing their would be a market for Andy that brings this kind of offer, even if it isn't Miami.

[c12schleyer]

(03-22-2019, 10:30 AM)c12schleyer Wrote: Crazy thought, and this is me being creative again. If we do trade Green... I would love to see a trade in the ball park of this...

Bengals trade-
Green 
#11 pick 

to Raiders

Raiders trade-
#24 pick
#27 pick
#35 pick

This is how the draft played out when I made that trade too.

24: R1P24
 
OT DALTON RISNER
KANSAS STATE

27: R1P27
 
DL CHRISTIAN WILKINS
CLEMSON


35: R2P3
 
WR A.J. BROWN
OLE MISS
42: R2P10
S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON
FLORIDA
48: R2P16
 
QB DANIEL JONES
DUKE


72: R3P8
 
LB VOSEAN JOSEPH
FLORIDA


110: R4P8
 
TE ISAAC NAUTA
GEORGIA
116: R4P14
 
G MICHAEL DEITER
WISCONSIN


149: R5P11
 


EDGE SHAREEF MILLER
PENN STATE
183: R6P10
 
TE CJ CONRAD
KENTUCKY
198: R6P25
 
LB BEN BURR-KIRVEN
WASHINGTON
210: R6P37
 
OT OLI UDOH
ELON
211: R6P38
 
CB HAMP CHEEVERS
BOSTON COLLEGE
213: R6P40
 
CB BLACE BROWN
TROY



223: R7P9
DL DEMARCUS CHRISTMAS
FLORIDA STATE

[Au165]

(03-22-2019, 10:50 AM)c12schleyer Wrote: You're right, he alone wouldn't warrant 2 1sts and a 2nd, but paired up with our 1st the trade makes sense from a value perspective.  The Raiders see that they essentially flip Cooper for Green (upgrade) and use their remaining first and early second to move up 10+ spots in the draft.  It isn't as crazy as it sounds.

Yes it is crazy. Our first is worth 24 and 35 on it's own, so they are essentially trading 27 for Green straight up. 

The real issue here is they have no need for AJ. They just signed Brown to the highest WR contract and signed Tyrell Williams to a solid deal. They aren't trading for a 30+ year old WR and paying him big money as well.

[Au165]

(03-22-2019, 10:52 AM)c12schleyer Wrote: The Dolphins bring in a bridge QB with decent starter experience and no dead cap space if traded or cut.  They can still select their QB of the future in the draft.  It is a stretch I suppose, but I honestly thing their would be a market for Andy that brings this kind of offer, even if it isn't Miami.

They have that guy in Ryan Fitzpatrick and they gave up nothing. 

[*ochocincos*]

(03-22-2019, 10:07 AM)c12schleyer Wrote: I would take Murray or Haskins as well, but Grier terrifies me.  He has all the arm talent in the world, but the system he played in scares me, he has a tendency to force his hand, and his personality for some reason rubs me the wrong way.  Don't get me wrong, if we took him in the third I would be happy, but scared at the same time.

This came out of Grier's Pro Day...

Quote:One NFL scout in Morgantown, W.V., just texted that QB Will Grier “put on a show” for NFL Teams in attendance and predicted he’s “a riser.”

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1108753450236551168

What specifically about Grier "terrifies" you?

For me, I see a lot of Andy Dalton in his game but with a better deep ball.
I don't understand the "forcing of the hand" comment, as Grier passed for a high completion percentage, a lot of yards, a lot of TDs, and few INTs. Sure, he had a couple bad games, but every QB does.

[Au165]

(03-22-2019, 11:05 AM)ochocincos Wrote: This came out of Grier's Pro Day...
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1108753450236551168

What specifically about Grier "terrifies" you?

For me, I see a lot of Andy Dalton in his game but with a better deep ball.
I don't understand the "forcing of the hand" comment, as Grier passed for a high completion percentage, a lot of yards, a lot of TDs, and few INTs. Sure, he had a couple bad games, but every QB does.

I look at Grier and see Geno Smith. They both were knocked for bad footwork and they both improved it for their pro day making people feel better after it. The issue though is poor footwork is easy to revert back to as we saw with Smith at times early in his career. Be careful getting caught up in stats as the Air Raid in the big 12 has been a stat pad'er for years at various programs. He is a solid QB but I have questions on how well he will read complex zone defenses in the NFL because he pretty much never had to do it in college with that offense. 

I think Grier is a fine day 2 prospect, but I think his odds of being successful are similar to other day 2 QB's...not great.

[*psychdoctor*]

(03-22-2019, 11:26 AM)Au165 Wrote: I look at Grier and see Geno Smith. They both were knocked for bad footwork and they both improved it for their pro day making people feel better after it. The issue though is poor footwork is easy to revert back to as we saw with Smith at times early in his career. Be careful getting caught up in stats as the Air Raid in the big 12 has been a stat pad'er for years at various programs. He is a solid QB but I have questions on how well he will read complex zone defenses in the NFL because he pretty much never had to do it in college with that offense. 

I think Grier is a fine day 2 prospect, but I think his odds of being successful are similar to other day 2 QB's...not great.

I tend to agree with this assessment.  Grier would not be much improvement over Dalton

[*psychdoctor*]

(03-22-2019, 10:53 AM)c12schleyer Wrote: This is how the draft played out when I made that trade too.

24: R1P24
 
OT DALTON RISNER
KANSAS STATE

27: R1P27
 
DL CHRISTIAN WILKINS
CLEMSON


35: R2P3
 
WR A.J. BROWN
OLE MISS
42: R2P10
S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON
FLORIDA
48: R2P16
 
QB DANIEL JONES
DUKE


72: R3P8
 
LB VOSEAN JOSEPH
FLORIDA


110: R4P8
 
TE ISAAC NAUTA
GEORGIA
116: R4P14
 
G MICHAEL DEITER
WISCONSIN


149: R5P11
 


EDGE SHAREEF MILLER
PENN STATE
183: R6P10
 
TE CJ CONRAD
KENTUCKY
198: R6P25
 
LB BEN BURR-KIRVEN
WASHINGTON
210: R6P37
 
OT OLI UDOH
ELON
211: R6P38
 
CB HAMP CHEEVERS
BOSTON COLLEGE
213: R6P40
 
CB BLACE BROWN
TROY



223: R7P9
DL DEMARCUS CHRISTMAS
FLORIDA STATE

This draft would be fantastic but would never happen.  Deiter and Wilkins would not be there.