Dalton and Stafford the same player?

[THE PISTONS]

Yeah I'm going to say this was a bad throw to Tate on the last play:

Almost had it. #Bengals remain winless. pic.twitter.com/rEkbLCsuZg

— Sam Greene (@SGdoesit) September 22, 2019

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[TSwigZ]

Detroit and Cincy both need new QBs if there goal as a franchise is to win a Super Bowl

[Bengalitis]

Both teams have cat mascots.

[*bengalfan74*]

(09-23-2019, 01:27 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Just a rhetorical question, but are both organizations lack of success due to their respective qb, or are the qbs' lack of success due to the organizations they are apart of.

There's no way of knowing outside of playing the theoretical game, like how would Stafford/Dalton have done or do on teams like the Chiefs, Rams, Saints, Pats, Pitt, etc.

Anyhoots I will say if the Bengals had a good oline with a healthy AJ, Boyd, and Ross, I would take Stafford myself though thats a bit offtopic.

Ahhhhh the 64 million dollar question ?

And I think the answer is both.

[*jason*]

(09-23-2019, 07:08 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Ahhhhh the 64 million dollar question ?

And I think the answer is both.

Well they've had two players up and quit, while we've only had one.

[THE PISTONS]

Andre Smith gets walked into Dalton. But this is a play I'd show for why arm strength and athleticism are requirements behind a poor OL. Because you'll often have to throw without a perfect platform or be forced to move. Don't have to just stand there and take the pressure. pic.twitter.com/b3BaL8onam

— JG (@JoeGoodberry) September 24, 2019

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[Bengalfan4life27c]

(09-24-2019, 11:36 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote:

Andre Smith gets walked into Dalton. But this is a play I'd show for why arm strength and athleticism are requirements behind a poor OL. Because you'll often have to throw without a perfect platform or be forced to move. Don't have to just stand there and take the pressure. pic.twitter.com/b3BaL8onam

— JG (@JoeGoodberry) September 24, 2019

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Wasn't Dalton's best game should have checked it to Gio right there had a ton of space

[*ochocincos*]

Stafford has played in 21 more games (1.3 more seasons) than Dalton and has 10,000 more passing yards and 50 more pass TDs than him. They have about the same amount of rushing yards and Dalton has 5 more rush TDs than Stafford.
They have the same number of wins in their careers, but Stafford has 22 more losses than Dalton.
What this tells me (and from what I remember watching both over the past decade) is that Stafford has had to play with a worse running game and defense overall such that he had to try to carry the team on his back more.

Ultimately, do I think Stafford is great? No. But I think he'd probably have won more if he had been on teams with better defense and running games.

[Bengalfan4life27c]

(09-24-2019, 02:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Stafford has played in 21 more games (1.3 more seasons) than Dalton and has 10,000 more passing yards and 50 more pass TDs than him. They have about the same amount of rushing yards and Dalton has 5 more rush TDs than Stafford.
They have the same number of wins in their careers, but Stafford has 22 more losses than Dalton.
What this tells me (and from what I remember watching both over the past decade) is that Stafford has had to play with a worse running game and defense overall such that he had to try to carry the team on his back more.

Ultimately, do I think Stafford is great? No. But I think he'd probably have won more if he had been on teams with better defense and running games.

Dalton would have more yards and TD's playing in a dome and Stafford would have less here

[*ochocincos*]

(09-24-2019, 02:30 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Dalton would have more yards and TD's playing in a dome and Stafford would have less here

Can you back it up with some statistical data of each player in dome vs outdoors over the course of their careers?
Or are you simply saying that because of ideal temperatures and no wind?

[*rfaulk34*]

(09-23-2019, 02:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah I'm going to say this was a bad throw to Tate on the last play:

Almost had it. #Bengals remain winless. pic.twitter.com/rEkbLCsuZg

— Sam Greene (@SGdoesit) September 22, 2019

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10 yard passes to wide open receivers are tough, man.