(11-10-2019, 05:55 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: You really think Mahomes isn't any good? Kyler Murray is still a rookie, Newton was very good and never had great receivers, Jackson looks like a stud so far and Wilson brought his team to a Super Bowl without any great receivers or offensive line. I would take ANY of those quarterbacks right now. I will add the caveat that our offensive line needs to be addressed first.
Mahomes has Andy Reid running the show. His WRs are all speedy guys that get open. His OLine protects him decently, even though he has taken a shot or two, even one that knocked him out a few weeks.
Newton has had great WRs he just always threw to his 1 guy or checked down to Olsen, otherwise he just kept the ball and ran. As the years progressed and the season's wore on and on, Newton lost his effectiveness since age catches up to everyone.
Wilson has had the benefit of the Legion of Boom, Marshawn Lynch and Pete as his HC. He has had some decent WRs as well. The only thing Wilson does differently is that he keeps his eyes downfield, but his WRs always seem to be wide open and rarely has he had to be pin point accurate.
(11-10-2019, 06:11 PM)Nately120 Wrote: You have a list of white QBs, some of which have never won a playoff game or even played a full season in the NFL that you praise and a list of black QBs, some of which have won the SB and/or been MVPs that you think are irrelevant and overrated one-trick-ponies.
Maybe there is more to it but ehh...you probably have like a black friend or something.
I was thinking it was pocket passers vs scramblers... but hey... just call someone a racist if you don't like the stats.
(11-10-2019, 06:18 PM)Nately120 Wrote: No no, I'm sure the stats really back up Gardnew Menshew and Andy Dalton being better than Russel Wilson and Patrick Mahommes...how silly of me.
The stats that show Minshew as a pocket passer, same as Dalton and Wislon and Mahomes are scramblers... yes. The stats back that up.
(11-10-2019, 06:19 PM)Synric Wrote: Yea who wants a QB that can make off schedule plays....
I didn't say this. I said he scrambles and goes off schedule almost every play, which allows him to throw to completely wide open WRs..
Rodgers sorta does the same, just that he also stays on schedule and has pin point accuracy. If Rodgers WRs are still covered he can at least throw to where only his WR can make a play on the ball. Wilson doesn't do that, he hits on wide open targets or throws it away.
(11-10-2019, 05:42 PM)Synric Wrote: To be fair even though we all know the Bengals defense is bad the Ravens run an offense that is completely different than any other in the NFL.
But the thing is, the opponent doesn't matter. This team is bad against everyone!
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(11-10-2019, 05:55 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: You really think Mahomes isn't any good? Kyler Murray is still a rookie, Newton was very good and never had great receivers, Jackson looks like a stud so far and Wilson brought his team to a Super Bowl without any great receivers or offensive line. I would take ANY of those quarterbacks right now. I will add the caveat that our offensive line needs to be addressed first.
Mahomes and Wilson are elite.
End of story. Anyone saying otherwise should be embarrassed to state it publicly.
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(11-10-2019, 06:20 PM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: The stats that show Minshew as a pocket passer, same as Dalton and Wislon and Mahomes are scramblers... yes. The stats back that up.
No. Zero% of this is accurate. It's all uninformed (at best), inaccurate opinion, which you're entitled to...but you're so far wrong, i'd call it 'Mike Brown wrong'.
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(11-10-2019, 06:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: True, the P&R forum is where we can debate if we are better off now that we've gone from a scrambling president to a pocket president.
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