Top 5 and Bottom 5 Starters - PFF (min 100 snaps)

[*ochocincos*]

Top 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Tyler Boyd (83.4)
2) Joe Burrow (73.1)
3) Jonah Williams (70.7)
4) Tee Higgins (68.8)
5) Joe Mixon (68.5)

Top 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Jessie Bates (89.0)
2) William Jackson III (69.9)
3) DJ Reader (69.6)
4) Carl Lawson (65.1)
5) Mackensie Alexander (64.1)

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Bottom 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Fred Johnson (45.3)
2) Alex Redmond (51.7)
3) Michael Jordan (53.8)
4) AJ Green (58.5)
5) Trey Hopkins (59.8)

Bottom 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Akeem Davis-Gaither (39.0)
2) Germaine Pratt (46.6)
3) Josh Bynes (53.4)
4) Carlos Dunlap (54.1)
5) Vonn Bell (56.0)

[GreenCornBengal]

(10-13-2020, 05:34 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Top 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Tyler Boyd (83.4)
2) Joe Burrow (73.1)
3) Jonah Williams (70.7)
4) Tee Higgins (68.8)
5) Joe Mixon (68.5)

Top 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Jessie Bates (89.0)
2) William Jackson III (69.9)
3) DJ Reader (69.6)
4) Carl Lawson (65.1)
5) Mackensie Alexander (64.1)

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Bottom 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Fred Johnson (45.3)
2) Alex Redmond (51.7)
3) Michael Jordan (53.8)
4) AJ Green (58.5)
5) Trey Hopkins (59.8)

Bottom 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Akeem Davis-Gaither (39.0)
2) Germaine Pratt (46.6)
3) Josh Bynes (53.4)
4) Carlos Dunlap (54.1)
5) Vonn Bell (56.0)

Linebackers and Oline. Go figure!

ADG needs to step up, he makes some bad rookie mistakes out there.

[*bfine32*]

(10-13-2020, 05:41 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Linebackers and Oline. Go figure!

ADG needs to step up, he makes some bad rookie mistakes out there.

Actually interior oline. Bobby has done average this year

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-13-2020, 05:34 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Bottom 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Fred Johnson (45.3)
2) Alex Redmond (51.7)
3) Michael Jordan (53.8)
4) AJ Green (58.5)
5) Trey Hopkins (59.8)

I know he's played like butt this season, but wow. That's a list of 4 bubble players and 1 guy who's a 7x Pro Bowler. 

Just so weird to see AJ Green included in a list with those names even though my brain tells me it's right.

[BengalChris]

The entire interior line is so bad that 3 guards made the list even though only two can play at time.

They are all below backup level and grade as replaceable. That would imply that our starting interior line could be worse than some team's backups. How exactly did these coaches think that the line wasn't a problem going into the season? Were they drunk when they were walking the film?

[Luvnit2]

(10-13-2020, 05:34 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Top 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Tyler Boyd (83.4)
2) Joe Burrow (73.1)
3) Jonah Williams (70.7)
4) Tee Higgins (68.8)
5) Joe Mixon (68.5)

Top 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Jessie Bates (89.0)
2) William Jackson III (69.9)
3) DJ Reader (69.6)
4) Carl Lawson (65.1)
5) Mackensie Alexander (64.1)

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Bottom 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Fred Johnson (45.3)
2) Alex Redmond (51.7)
3) Michael Jordan (53.8)
4) AJ Green (58.5)
5) Trey Hopkins (59.8)

Bottom 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Akeem Davis-Gaither (39.0)
2) Germaine Pratt (46.6)
3) Josh Bynes (53.4)
4) Carlos Dunlap (54.1)
5) Vonn Bell (56.0)

A quick look shows me what I see when I watch game. Our interior OL including our center are major issues. 3 guards (who have started) and our center in bottom 5 on offense.

We can't run up the middle. Joe Burrow has no pocket in the crucial up the middle to be able to step into throws consistently. It is amazing that Boyd, Burrow and Mixon are in our top 5 based on the OL.

I am not an expert of a scout, but Hart is not our #1 OL priority, it is the guards and our center.

[*ochocincos*]

(10-13-2020, 06:14 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: A quick look shows me what I see when I watch game. Our interior OL including our center are major issues. 3 guards (who have started) and our center in bottom 5 on offense.

We can't run up the middle. Joe Burrow has no pocket in the crucial up the middle to be able to step into throws consistently. It is amazing that Boyd, Burrow and Mixon are in our top 5 based on the OL.

I am not an expert of a scout, but Hart is not our #1 OL priority, it is the guards and our center.

I should point out that Hopkins has a 79 pass blocking grade. It's his run blocking that is bad.
He has the lowest Run Block grade of all the OL who have started including Price and Johnson.

[RunKijanaRun]

That’s hilarious. Love Cincy Bungle Football

[GreenCornBengal]

(10-13-2020, 05:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually interior oline. Bobby has done average this year

You have a strange obsession with defending Bobby Hart. I didn’t even say anything about him lol.

[*ochocincos*]

(10-13-2020, 06:10 PM)BengalChris Wrote: The entire interior line is so bad that 3 guards made the list even though only two can play at time.

They are all below backup level and grade as replaceable. That would imply that our starting interior line could be worse than some team's backups. How exactly did these coaches think that the line wasn't a problem going into the season? Were they drunk when they were walking the film?

The bottom 4 would be all guards if Price had 100 snaps.
He's at 38.8, which is absolutely atrocious.

They took the gamble on Jordan developing at LG and XSF holding down the RG spot.
What I still find odd is they thought it was better to release John Miller and put XSF there instead of just bringing in XSF to take Jordan's spot while Jordan developed as a backup.

[*bengalfan74*]

(10-13-2020, 07:50 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: You have a strange obsession with defending Bobby Hart. I didn’t even say anything about him lol.

I don't get it either and he's not the only one. Hart wouldn't make the roster even as a backup on the vast majority of teams. 

[*bfine32*]

(10-13-2020, 07:50 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: You have a strange obsession with defending Bobby Hart. I didn’t even say anything about him lol.

I can only assume you have me confused with someone else.

I was simply pointing out the Oline problem seems to lie on the interior. 

[Fan_in_Kettering]

I’ve never followed PFF ratings before but the top guards and centers have ratings just under 90 and the top tackles have ratings over 90. Our players can’t touch that, not even at their best.

[Gdale_Bengal]

AJ doesn’t want to be here. He isn’t injured. He gives up and is angry.

Hes playing under the tag and didn’t want that. Bengals really messed up.

[Yojimbo]

Only 1 player on either side of the ball over 80...

[*ochocincos*]

(10-13-2020, 08:41 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Only 1 player on either side of the ball over 80...

And that's why the Bengals are where they're at.

[jfkbengals]

(10-13-2020, 05:34 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Top 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Tyler Boyd (83.4)
2) Joe Burrow (73.1)
3) Jonah Williams (70.7)
4) Tee Higgins (68.8)
5) Joe Mixon (68.5)

Top 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Jessie Bates (89.0)
2) William Jackson III (69.9)
3) DJ Reader (69.6)
4) Carl Lawson (65.1)
5) Mackensie Alexander (64.1)

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Bottom 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Fred Johnson (45.3)
2) Alex Redmond (51.7)
3) Michael Jordan (53.8)
4) AJ Green (58.5)
5) Trey Hopkins (59.8)

Bottom 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Akeem Davis-Gaither (39.0)
2) Germaine Pratt (46.6)
3) Josh Bynes (53.4)
4) Carlos Dunlap (54.1)
5) Vonn Bell (56.0)

For the sake of context, it would be nice to know the league average for each of the positions on the list.

[Essex Johnson]

(10-13-2020, 08:10 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I don't get it either and he's not the only one. Hart wouldn't make the roster even as a backup on the vast majority of teams. 

Hart would start for some teams and be a backup for many.. Tackles are probably are very thin .. probably behind QB.. number 2 

[*ochocincos*]

(10-13-2020, 09:25 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: For the sake of context, it would be nice to know the league average for each of the positions on the list.

I don't think there is a league average anywhere...?

I can list where each of the players ranks though.

Top 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):

1) Tyler Boyd - 5th WR
2) Joe Burrow - 17th QB
3) Jonah Williams - 34th OT
4) Tee Higgins - 56th WR
5) Joe Mixon - 23rd RB

Top 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Jessie Bates - 1st S
2) William Jackson III - 19th CB
3) DJ Reader - 35th DT
4) Carl Lawson - 46th EDGE
5) Mackensie Alexander - 39th CB

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Bottom 5 Offense (min 100 snaps):
1) Fred Johnson - 69th OG
2) Alex Redmond - 65th OG
3) Michael Jordan - 58th OG
4) AJ Green - 103rd WR
5) Trey Hopkins - 28th C

Bottom 5 Defense (min 100 snaps):
1) Akeem Davis-Gaither - 63rd LB
2) Germaine Pratt - 52nd LB
3) Josh Bynes - 36th LB
4) Carlos Dunlap - 83rd EDGE
5) Vonn Bell - 52nd S

[Yojimbo]

5th best WR in the league and on a bad offense. TyLeR BoYd iSn’T a #1 ReCeIvEr.