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Hey everyone, I saw this on ESPN.com and thought I'd share. They currently have us ranked as the top offensive line in the entire NFL so far in 2015! I love building in the trenches. Scary thing is that we have a 1st and 2nd rounder basically riding the pine too.
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Aaron Schatz, Football Outsiders
To determine the top offensive lines so far this year, I averaged each team's rank in five categories:
Adjusted line yards (ALY): a Football Outsiders metric that splits value between the blocking and the back, based on the length of the run and adjusted for situation and opponent.
Stuffed rate: how often running backs are stuffed for a loss or no gain, the most blocking-dependent part of ALY.
Adjusted sack rate (ASR): sacks (and intentional groundings) per pass play, adjusted for situation and opponent.
Pressure rate: how often the quarterback is under duress, including both sacks and hurries, according to ESPN Stats & Information charting.
Penalties per game by offensive linemen; this category had half the weight of the other four.
Further explanation of the first three categories, with updated numbers, can be found here. Ranks listed below do not include Monday's Chargers-Steelers game.
Here are the top offensive lines through Week 5:
1. Cincinnati Bengals
If Sunday is the first time you watched the Bengals all year, this No. 1 ranking might surprise you. Maybe the Cincinnati play that stands out in your memory is the blown blocking assignment that got Rex Burkhead crushed on a jet sweep and led to a fumble recovery and touchdown for Seattle. But that play was shocking precisely because the Bengals' offensive line has worked together so well for the last two seasons. It is one of the league's best-performing but least-publicized units.
Cincinnati has a well-rounded front that excels both on running and passing plays. The Bengals rank among the top eight teams in four of the five stats that we're using to measure offensive lines. In 2014, they ranked among the top 11 teams in those same four metrics. The exception is penalties, where the Bengals were average last season and rank 25th so far in 2015.
The best player on the line is left tackle Andrew Whitworth, who allowed only a half-sack in pass blocking last year but couldn't even get a spot in the Pro Bowl. In the nine seasons before this one, Whitworth only has one Pro Bowl appearance (2012), and none of the other Bengals linemen have made a Pro Bowl. That really needs to change this season.
2. Atlanta Falcons
3. New York Jets
4. Oakland Raiders
5. Pittsburgh Steelers
http://espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/13876438/ranking-nfl-top-offensive-lines-far-season
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(10-13-2015, 11:45 AM)BleedNOrange Wrote: Hey everyone, I saw this on ESPN.com and thought I'd share. They currently have us ranked as the top offensive line in the entire NFL so far in 2015! I love building in the trenches. Scary thing is that we have a 1st and 2nd rounder basically riding the pine too.
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Aaron Schatz, Football Outsiders
To determine the top offensive lines so far this year, I averaged each team's rank in five categories:
Adjusted line yards (ALY): a Football Outsiders metric that splits value between the blocking and the back, based on the length of the run and adjusted for situation and opponent.
Stuffed rate: how often running backs are stuffed for a loss or no gain, the most blocking-dependent part of ALY.
Adjusted sack rate (ASR): sacks (and intentional groundings) per pass play, adjusted for situation and opponent.
Pressure rate: how often the quarterback is under duress, including both sacks and hurries, according to ESPN Stats & Information charting.
Penalties per game by offensive linemen; this category had half the weight of the other four.
Further explanation of the first three categories, with updated numbers, can be found here. Ranks listed below do not include Monday's Chargers-Steelers game.
Here are the top offensive lines through Week 5:
1. Cincinnati Bengals
If Sunday is the first time you watched the Bengals all year, this No. 1 ranking might surprise you. Maybe the Cincinnati play that stands out in your memory is the blown blocking assignment that got Rex Burkhead crushed on a jet sweep and led to a fumble recovery and touchdown for Seattle. But that play was shocking precisely because the Bengals' offensive line has worked together so well for the last two seasons. It is one of the league's best-performing but least-publicized units.
Cincinnati has a well-rounded front that excels both on running and passing plays. The Bengals rank among the top eight teams in four of the five stats that we're using to measure offensive lines. In 2014, they ranked among the top 11 teams in those same four metrics. The exception is penalties, where the Bengals were average last season and rank 25th so far in 2015.
The best player on the line is left tackle Andrew Whitworth, who allowed only a half-sack in pass blocking last year but couldn't even get a spot in the Pro Bowl. In the nine seasons before this one, Whitworth only has one Pro Bowl appearance (2012), and none of the other Bengals linemen have made a Pro Bowl. That really needs to change this season.
2. Atlanta Falcons
3. New York Jets
4. Oakland Raiders
5. Pittsburgh Steelers
http://espn.go.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/13876438/ranking-nfl-top-offensive-lines-far-season
Wait? Does this mean Paul Alexander is not an idiot and should have been fired?
I love our OL and love the prospect of developing 2 tackles who are both athletic enough to play guard if needed.
Many don't realize our 1st round pick prior to his injury was a consensus top 5 overall pick by the draft experts. We have the luxury for him to get healthy and watch and learn behind 2 very good OT's and 2 very good OG's. Our OL should be set for a very long time and you do win games in the trenches.
I am so ready for 2024 season. I love pro football and hoping for a great Bengals year. Regardless, always remember it is a game and entertainment.
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(10-13-2015, 12:34 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Wait? Does this mean Paul Alexander is not an idiot and should have been fired?
I love our OL and love the prospect of developing 2 tackles who are both athletic enough to play guard if needed.
Many don't realize our 1st round pick prior to his injury was a consensus top 5 overall pick by the draft experts. We have the luxury for him to get healthy and watch and learn behind 2 very good OT's and 2 very good OG's. Our OL should be set for a very long time and you do win games in the trenches.
With all of the top round talent in this position group, there's no way in hell they should fail.......I don't care if Fozzie Bear is coaching them. Fact is, Russell Bodine is still having the same issues he showed up with.....Alexander is good so long as his talent level is elite. Currently, it is elite.....and the skill players are tearing it up with them to help their numbers even more.
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(10-13-2015, 01:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: With all of the top round talent in this position group, there's no way in hell they should fail.......I don't care if Fozzie Bear is coaching them. Fact is, Russell Bodine is still having the same issues he showed up with.....Alexander is good so long as his talent level is elite. Currently, it is elite.....and the skill players are tearing it up with them to help their numbers even more.
Sure, you can say that all you want, but there are plenty of top round guys that don't pan out.
Show me a coach that is good when his talent group stinks.
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(10-13-2015, 01:23 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Sure, you can say that all you want, but there are plenty of top round guys that don't pan out.
Show me a coach that is good when his talent group stinks.
Stinks, or has a mixed bag?
....our very own Hue Jackson looked pretty good in Oakland with marginal talent, for one.
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(10-13-2015, 01:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: With all of the top round talent in this position group, there's no way in hell they should fail.......I don't care if Fozzie Bear is coaching them. Fact is, Russell Bodine is still having the same issues he showed up with.....Alexander is good so long as his talent level is elite. Currently, it is elite.....and the skill players are tearing it up with them to help their numbers even more.
Bengals don't use more high draft picks on the O-line than most other NFL teams.
From '06 when we took Whitworth through '14 the Bengals used a grand total of THREE picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft on O-linemen. During that same time the other 31 teams used 143 picks in the first three rounds on O-linemen. So why doesn't every other team in the league have an O-line just as good as the Bengals?
The fact is that the talent on the O-line is elite because Paul Alexander has coached it to that level.
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(10-13-2015, 01:29 PM)Wyche Wrote: Stinks, or has a mixed bag?
....our very own Hue Jackson looked pretty good in Oakland with marginal talent, for one.
Hues O-line in Oakland had a first round pick, 2 second round picks, 1 third and 1 fourth.
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(10-14-2015, 10:56 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Bengals don't use more high draft picks on the O-line than most other NFL teams.
From '06 when we took Whitworth through '14 the Bengals used a grand total of THREE picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft on O-linemen. During that same time the other 31 teams used 143 picks in the first three rounds on O-linemen. So why doesn't every other team in the league have an O-line just as good as the Bengals?
The fact is that the talent on the O-line is elite because Paul Alexander has coached it to that level.
That's opinion.....objection sustained.
The fact is, we have two first rounders at tackle, a first rounder at guard, two high rounders at tackle on the bench, Boling was 101st pick and considered the best guard in that draft, and then there's the lone low rounder (a 4th rounder) that still has problems snapping the damn ball after two years at this level. Elite coaching my ass.....
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(10-14-2015, 10:59 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Hues O-line in Oakland had a first round pick, 2 second round picks, 1 third and 1 fourth.
What about the rest of the team.....cause, ya know.....Hue IS NOT a position coach lifer.....
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(10-14-2015, 10:59 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Hues O-line in Oakland had a first round pick, 2 second round picks, 1 third and 1 fourth.
plus he had Bruce Campbell.. i mean what more do you need
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