So I Started Doing the Math

[NATI BENGALS]

It took a great deal of thought and much consideration to come up with the following equation.

What position groups are still in need of a key contributor and how many total groups??
WR? Yep
TE? Yep
OT? Yep
LB? Yep
Edge? Yep
DT? Yep
OG? Yep
7

How many day one and day two picks do we have?
3

7-3=4

4 what?

4 wins last year that's why we are picking at 5





WE NEED TO TRADE BACK FROM 5


One player isn't gonna do it.

[*Synric*]

(03-27-2021, 10:33 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: It took a great deal of thought and much consideration to come up with the following equation.

What position groups are still in need of a key contributor and how many total groups??
WR? Yep
TE? Yep
OT? Yep
LB? Yep
Edge? Yep
DT? Yep
OG? Yep
7

How many day one and day two picks do we have?
3

7-3=4

4 what?

4 wins last year that's why we are picking at 5





WE NEED TO TRADE BACK FROM 5


One player isn't gonna do it.

When San Francisco traded up to 3 that made trading back even more unlikely. Now if they go Mac Jones that would make it alot more likely but saying "NEED TO TRADE BACK" is really armchair GM stuff.

[Gdale_Bengal]

No guarantees in the draft. It’s a crap chute and having more picks doesn’t mean more success.

Better coaches will almost always yield better result

[NATI BENGALS]

(03-27-2021, 10:38 AM)Synric Wrote: When San Francisco traded up to 3 that made trading back even more unlikely. Now if they go Mac Jones that would make it alot more likely but saying "NEED TO TRADE BACK" is really armchair GM stuff.

(03-27-2021, 10:38 AM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: No guarantees in the draft. It’s a crap chute and having more picks doesn’t mean more success.

Better coaches will almost always yield better result

Re check the math

[Schmitbuck]

Trading back from 5 to accumulate picks is my preference as well, but I like the draft so much I say that every year. :)

[J24]

I read the title as "I starting doing the meth"! I don't know what is more disappointing that I can't read anymore or this thread isn't about meth.

[Whatever]

(03-27-2021, 10:33 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: It took a great deal of thought and much consideration to come up with the following equation.

What position groups are still in need of a key contributor and how many total groups??
WR? Yep
TE? Yep
OT? Yep
LB? Yep
Edge? Yep
DT? Yep
OG? Yep
7

How many day one and day two picks do we have?
3

7-3=4

4 what?

4 wins last year that's why we are picking at 5





WE NEED TO TRADE BACK FROM 5


One player isn't gonna do it.

Well, you're not getting 4 extra picks in this year's draft for a trade down, so you're looking at at least two years to fill all those holes regardless of trading down or not, though some of them are pretty suspect.

TE isn't really a need.  Uzomah and Sample are a serviceable tandem. It would be nice to upgrade there, but it isn't a need.

With Reiff and Jonah we have 2 good starting T's, so T isn't really a need this year.  It would be great to get one due to the strength of this year's class and Jonah's injury history, but it's not a need.

LB is a draft and develop position where rookies are rarely good.  We took 3 last year.  Some patience is required here.

Still a lot of solid edge rushers in FA that will be on prove it deals this year.  I don't think this is a big draft need.

We have 4 good DT's in Reader, Wren, Tupou, and Ogunjobi.  It would be nice to get a pass rushing UT to replace Geno, but this isn't a need, either.

WR and G are big holes.  The rest are spots where we gave at least serviceable players, but it would be nice to upgrade.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(03-27-2021, 02:26 PM)Whatever Wrote: Well, you're not getting 4 extra picks in this year's draft for a trade down, so you're looking at at least two years to fill all those holes regardless of trading down or not, though some of them are pretty suspect.

TE isn't really a need.  Uzomah and Sample are a serviceable tandem. It would be nice to upgrade there, but it isn't a need.

With Reiff and Jonah we have 2 good starting T's, so T isn't really a need this year.  It would be great to get one due to the strength of this year's class and Jonah's injury history, but it's not a need.

LB is a draft and develop position where rookies are rarely good.  We took 3 last year.  Some patience is required here.

Still a lot of solid edge rushers in FA that will be on prove it deals this year.  I don't think this is a big draft need.

We have 4 good DT's in Reader, Wren, Tupou, and Ogunjobi.  It would be nice to get a pass rushing UT to replace Geno, but this isn't a need, either.

WR and G are big holes.  The rest are spots where we gave at least serviceable players, but it would be nice to upgrade.

I think (hope) they draft a RT, but play him at OG this year with the intent to take over for Reiff next year.

[NATI BENGALS]

(03-27-2021, 02:26 PM)Whatever Wrote: Well, you're not getting 4 extra picks in this year's draft for a trade down, so you're looking at at least two years to fill all those holes regardless of trading down or not, though some of them are pretty suspect.

TE isn't really a need.  Uzomah and Sample are a serviceable tandem. It would be nice to upgrade there, but it isn't a need.

With Reiff and Jonah we have 2 good starting T's, so T isn't really a need this year.  It would be great to get one due to the strength of this year's class and Jonah's injury history, but it's not a need.

LB is a draft and develop position where rookies are rarely good.  We took 3 last year.  Some patience is required here.

Still a lot of solid edge rushers in FA that will be on prove it deals this year.  I don't think this is a big draft need.

We have 4 good DT's in Reader, Wren, Tupou, and Ogunjobi.  It would be nice to get a pass rushing UT to replace Geno, but this isn't a need, either.

WR and G are big holes.  The rest are spots where we gave at least serviceable players, but it would be nice to upgrade.

Sorry man. Those are all needs. The draft is where you build your team for now and the future.

You sound like Hobson’s article from the other day on TE. Guy coming off an achilles tear, young guy, and some roster fodder. Nothing to do at this position. Ha yea right

1 year rental at RT and a young LT who has proven he can not be depended on.

We lost our starter vet Bynes and veteran depth Evans. LBs take a beating and play a lot of special teams. We have 3 decent ones and then question marks.

Free agents edge rushers means they are not on my team. Means it’s a need.

Wren and Tupou are not good. We don’t know anything about them. Wren looks like Tarzan and plays like ? Tupou didn’t play last year and was a bottom of the roster guy before sitting out last year.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-27-2021, 10:38 AM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: No guarantees in the draft. It’s a crap chute and having more picks doesn’t mean more success.

Better coaches will almost always yield better result

You do realize that Craps is a game where people shoot dice, and that feces come out of your poop chute, right?  

[NATI BENGALS]

(03-27-2021, 07:05 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You do realize that Craps is a game where people shoot dice, and that feces come out of your poop chute, right?  

Ohh. Wonder if that’s why I got kicked out of the casino

[Whatever]

(03-27-2021, 06:08 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Sorry man. Those are all needs. The draft is where you build your team for now and the future.

You sound like Hobson’s article from the other day on TE. Guy coming off an achilles tear, young guy, and some roster fodder. Nothing to do at this position. Ha yea right

1 year rental at RT and a young LT who has proven he can not be depended on.

We lost our starter vet Bynes and veteran depth Evans. LBs take a beating and play a lot of special teams. We have 3 decent ones and then question marks.

Free agents edge rushers means they are not on my team. Means it’s a need.

Wren and Tupou are not good. We don’t know anything about them. Wren looks like Tarzan and plays like ? Tupou didn’t play last year and was a bottom of the roster guy before sitting out last year.

Uzomah is way ahead of schedule and was walking without a boot back in November.  He'll be good for TC.  Sample is a young guy, so the solution is to draft another young guy?  It would be nice to improve there, but it isn't a big need.

We have two good starting T's and two serviceable young backups behind them.  T is not a need as either an immediate starter or as a depth fill.  As I said, it's a deep T class, so it would be smart to get one, but wanting a young guy to groom to start in a year or two is a luxury, not a need.

There are always vet stack LB's that can be had for peanuts out there on the street.  We're talking Day 3 depth fill like need here.  Our LB's stayed relatively healthy last year, so I'm not sure how you're citing injury risk here.

If you're going to claim that we need to trade down to fill all our needs a month before the draft even happens, it's more than fair to propose alternative ways said needs could be filled in that time without trading down.

Tupou had a 73.8 PFF grade in '19.  He's a great run stuffing NT.  Wren has a ton of upside and played at serviceable backup level in '19.  It's not a need.  We have two solid starters, one good young backup, and one serviceable young backup.

[Whatever]

(03-27-2021, 05:34 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I think (hope) they draft a RT, but play him at OG this year with the intent to take over for Reiff next year.

I would personally like to see them go this route.

[*psychdoctor*]

I would like them to trade with Panthers for 2nd & 5th rounders. Picking 8 means the Bengals could still get a quality starter and two 2nd rounders means they can add more OLINE.

Some draft pundits have Mac Jones going in top 6. There are 5 QBs that can go in top 5 (Jones, Wilson, Lawrence, Fields, Lance). Panthers need a QB and may want that 5th spot. If hypothetically, 5 QBs go in top 5, that would leave 2 spots where Pitts, Chase, Sewell, Smith, Waddle, Slater. So even if Sewell go 6th and 7th, Bengals could still get Pitts or Slater. There is even a chance they could still get Sewell if Phins want Chase.

[BengalsRocker]

(03-27-2021, 02:05 PM)J24 Wrote: I read the title as "I starting doing the meth"!  I don't know what is more disappointing that I can't read anymore or this thread isn't about meth.

[NATI BENGALS]

(03-27-2021, 07:52 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I would like them to trade with Panthers for 2nd & 5th rounders.  Picking 8 means the Bengals could still get a quality starter and two 2nd rounders means they can add more OLINE.  

Some draft pundits have Mac Jones going in top 6.  There are 5 QBs that can go in top 5 (Jones, Wilson, Lawrence, Fields, Lance).  Panthers need a QB and may want that 5th spot.  If hypothetically, 5 QBs go in top 5, that would leave 2 spots where Pitts, Chase, Sewell, Smith, Waddle, Slater.  So even if Sewell go 6th and 7th, Bengals could still get Pitts or Slater.  There is even a chance they could still get Sewell if Phins want Chase.

That would be a damn good start.

Then do it again. Trade down to the middle of round one and pick up another day two pick and a day two pick for next year. Pats coming up for their guy?

Then do it again. Trade all the way down from the middle of round one to the end of round one for a first next year and a day two pick this year.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-27-2021, 07:52 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I would like them to trade with Panthers for 2nd & 5th rounders.  Picking 8 means the Bengals could still get a quality starter and two 2nd rounders means they can add more OLINE.  

Some draft pundits have Mac Jones going in top 6.  There are 5 QBs that can go in top 5 (Jones, Wilson, Lawrence, Fields, Lance).  Panthers need a QB and may want that 5th spot.  If hypothetically, 5 QBs go in top 5, that would leave 2 spots where Pitts, Chase, Sewell, Smith, Waddle, Slater.  So even if Sewell go 6th and 7th, Bengals could still get Pitts or Slater.  There is even a chance they could still get Sewell if Phins want Chase.

That would be an ideal situation;  However, as we have talked about on here before, it takes two parties to make a deal.  Given the recent draft order shakeup with Miami making those two, big news trades, I doubt that we'll see any more movement before the draft.  SF made a balsy, but very risky move, by jumping up to the #3 spot, as there is a chance that NYJ could still take the player that SF has their sights set on.

I think that there will still be surprises and movement in the draft order, but I think that it will occur during the actual draft, when teams can see how that it is playing out.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(03-28-2021, 06:51 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: That would be a damn good start.

Then do it again. Trade down to the middle of round one and pick up another day two pick and a day two pick for next year. Pats coming up for their guy?

Then do it again. Trade all the way down from the middle of round one to the end of round one for a first next year and a day two pick this year.

Some of you really have a lot of trust in the smallest scouting department in the entire league, and I’m not sure why.

[CoachGeorge]

Do the Bengals have multiple needs? Is water wet? Of course they do. But there is that little bugaboo called health which in some ways has been our Achilles heal recently. The Bengals are young so development should be something that works in there favor possibly in a big way.

Sure they are likely only a few rookies that will have an impact year one. But the offseason isn’t yet complete. There will be post-draft waiver wire releases, training camp releases that can fill those needs.

All told, I think there is room for optimism. Of course this is the Bengals and I get that too.

[JerseyDD09]

(03-28-2021, 10:53 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Some of you really have a lot of trust in the smallest scouting department in the entire league, and I’m not sure why.

PFF graded the Bengals draft last year as #1 in the league (Based on drafted players playing time). So, I guess that's where everyone has the trust that they can draft good players in rounds 2-5 again. 
Even though I'd want the Bengals to draft either Sewell or Chase and would be heartbroken if they didn't, I'd still understand if they could find trade partners this year and draft a whole bunch of OL, DL and WRs for the future of the franchise. 
If they traded down twice in the 1st round, and gained a few more #2s and 3s, I'm down with that. 
They could get an OL, DE, and WR in the 2nd round, which is filled with those positions or whoever they think are the best available players throughout. They are still shorted talent and depth and need both desperately. 
Along those lines, I'm also down to trade Gio for any extra draft pick at this point. He's been a great Bengal, but his salary and age are a problem now.