08-09-2021, 12:27 PM
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Jackson Carman At Bottom Of Depth Chart
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08-09-2021, 12:42 PM
08-09-2021, 12:52 PM
(08-09-2021, 12:04 PM)GodFather Wrote: So one example you have? Should I make the list of players who did get better with time? I think in the end my list will be longer. You are the one making dumb claims and in bold (below). It took me 2 seconds to refute your ridiculous comment. "That’s ridiculous. If a player is a day one starter from draft he will only get better in time" I did not see the word may, just the word WILL!!! Make matter of fact statements and they need to be factual. This one was not.
I am so ready for 2024 season. I love pro football and hoping for a great Bengals year. Regardless, always remember it is a game and entertainment.
08-09-2021, 12:53 PM
(08-08-2021, 11:45 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Quit being nice Wanted to leave on a good note last night. Now we can get back to it! (08-09-2021, 11:37 AM)GodFather Wrote: For sure, love the Reiff pick up. Let’s hope this line is able to protect our biggest asset this season! Think it will, happy to hear about D'Ante playing so good already and up to 320 pounds.
08-09-2021, 12:55 PM
08-09-2021, 04:10 PM
(08-09-2021, 12:52 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: You are the one making dumb claims and in bold (below). It took me 2 seconds to refute your ridiculous comment. You refuted nothing, I put more thought into what to order on a fast food menu than your comments quality.
08-09-2021, 04:33 PM
(08-08-2021, 06:19 PM)Emeritus Wrote: This is Zacs team now and the owner said it with conviction. So lets not start this narrative. Its Zacs TEAM. Oh, you were taking me literally. I was making fun. I've wanted him gone after 2 wins. He's already overstayed his welcome as far as I'm concerned.
08-09-2021, 05:34 PM
(08-08-2021, 08:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Wow, sounds like we don't have a LT or a RT now... The line is comprised of 5 positions, Nate. (08-08-2021, 08:15 PM)Joelist Wrote: This gets a bit boring. Carman is learning a new position and the coaches have said he is starting to get it. But many of the same bunch who were loudly advocating to draft Sewell just have to talk down Carman for some reason. What is boring is pretending people are saying Carman is trash when Luvnits poll proved that there's only 1-2 guys on here who actually think that way. The rest have simply expressed legitimate concerns that (a) we didn't do enough to improve the line and (b) that Carman is off to a rough start. It's the other side that's flipping a wig over it. No one is saying the season is over, and no one is saying Carman is a wasted pick or any other hyperbolic nonsense. Outside of one guy. You guys are just doing that thing where you pretend people's opinions are far more extreme than they actually are, because it's easier to argue against an extreme and irrational stance.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
08-09-2021, 06:13 PM
(08-09-2021, 11:46 AM)tms Wrote: Are you from the straw man factory? We were looking for you. We were running out of supplies to protect our we-don't-ever-need-to-do-anything crops, and you came through like divine intervention. Nice to see. We were not promised a plug and play guy. All I heard was that he would have a learning curve moving inside and that the long term plan would be that he could replace Reiff. Nothing like that sounds like plug and play. Why in the world would Carman be considered plug and play when he never played OG in college?
08-09-2021, 06:22 PM
(08-09-2021, 04:33 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Oh, you were taking me literally. I was making fun. Meh, I'll give him one more year but I will say that as soon as ZT won 2 games and got us in place to pick Burrow I was 97% sure that was going to be his greatest contribution to this organization.
08-09-2021, 06:28 PM
(08-09-2021, 06:22 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, I'll give him one more year but I will say that as soon as ZT won 2 games and got us in place to pick Burrow I was 97% sure that was going to be his greatest contribution to this organization. LOL
08-09-2021, 08:56 PM
(08-09-2021, 05:34 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The line is comprised of 5 positions, Nate. I getcha here Shake, it is just too early to know who is correct on whether they did enough or not. D'Ante Smith and even Michael Jordan looked good when I recently watched them. Same with Trey Hill and of course Jonah. This is good not bad. No point in saying they didn't do enough until we truly know. Pollack may not be a miracle worker but I guarantee he is better than Turner.
08-09-2021, 10:28 PM
(08-09-2021, 11:46 AM)tms Wrote: Are you from the straw man factory? We were looking for you. We were running out of supplies to protect our we-don't-ever-need-to-do-anything crops, and you came through like divine intervention. Nice to see. You clearly do not even know what a "straw man" argument is. I used direct quotes you made. I did not twist what you were saying at all. (08-09-2021, 11:46 AM)tms Wrote: Your two questions can sort of be grouped together. If motivation is not his problem, then he's not good enough. Would that not be worse? There is a third option. He just has to make adjustments to the NFL game. Interesting that a "draftnick" like you could not answer my question about how many second round rookies start opening day and how many of them "lack the focus for the NFL"? Last years leaders in rushing yards (Derrick Henry), receptions and receiving yards (Stephon Diggs), and receiving td (Devonte Adams) all failed to win a starting job opening day of their rookie season. So are you saying all of these guys lacked motivation? (08-09-2021, 11:46 AM)tms Wrote: Nobody was talking about a backup IOL at his presser.No one was saying he was an automatic starter either. Since you seem to have some memory problems here is the exact quote Could you see Carman being the opening day starter at LG? "I don't want to make any predictions. We'll see how quickly they can adapt to life in the NFL. I certainly think he's going to compete for an opportunity to be a starting player for us."
08-09-2021, 11:00 PM
Carman will be fine and will be our RG. Spain will be LG and XSF first off the bench. I suspect everyone is bored and taking a "depth chart" prior to the first preseason game WAY too seriously. And realistically with Burrow not suiting up this is as good a time as any to see whether Jordan has improved in any real way.
Now to me they need to set the first and second teams before the second preseason game so they can work together and gain cohesion.
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08-09-2021, 11:10 PM
(08-09-2021, 06:13 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: We were not promised a plug and play guy. All I heard was that he would have a learning curve moving inside and that the long term plan would be that he could replace Reiff. Nothing like that sounds like plug and play. Why in the world would Carman be considered plug and play when he never played OG in college? Please ask them that! Don't frame it like I was ever for playing Carman inside- or playing Carman anywhere lol. I didn't want Carman at all. I'm just holding them to account for what they said. Of course there's a learning curve! But that was (allegedly) factored into the equation. I remember hearing 'them' say that he was more polished than Penei for playing one year at RG, before swinging him outside in year two. Fine. I won't argue. The logic was that the drop-off from Chase to < insert R2 wideout here > was greater than Sewell to < insert R2 OL here >. Period, full stop, point finale. We could get a receiver to go over the top of the defense and a cog to reinforce the matador-esque line that put Burrow on the shelf, with our first two picks; and the OL was sooo deep that there were more than enough names from which to choose. Again, fine. Their call. Point being, we weren't looking for projects at either position. This didn't happen that long ago! It is absolute revisionist history to say that people would have been content with that . This is a team that won 4 games last year, and we were coming out of there with at least two new starters- come hell or high water. Problem is, we couldn't even do that right. We went off the board in R2 for... god knows knows what reason... probably starts with "Fairfield" and ends in "High School"... and today, barely three months later, our R4 is slotted higher on the depth chart than said R2. Our R2 is already making headlines for all the wrong reasons. In fact, if things don't change over the next month, we'll be rolling with 4 of the 5 starters from last year. No matter how you look at it, that is scandalous.
08-09-2021, 11:16 PM
(08-09-2021, 11:10 PM)tms Wrote: Please ask them that! Don't frame it like I was ever for playing Carman inside- or playing Carman anywhere lol. I didn't want Carman at all. I'm just holding them to account for what they said. Of course there's a learning curve! But that was (allegedly) factored into the equation. I remember hearing 'them' say that he was more polished than Penei for playing one year at RG, before swinging him outside in year two. Fine. I won't argue. I will remember you said this when Carman ends up being our best Guard.
08-09-2021, 11:20 PM
(08-09-2021, 12:53 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Wanted to leave on a good note last night. Now we can get back to it! Violence is never the answer, Nate. Unless the question is, "what does v,i,o,l,e,n,c,e spell?" "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
08-09-2021, 11:29 PM
08-09-2021, 11:42 PM
(08-09-2021, 10:28 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Interesting that a "draftnick" like you could not answer my question about how many second round rookies start opening day and how many of them "lack the focus for the NFL"? I didn't answer your straw man questions because they are straw men. They are irrelevant. There are too many issues to unpack in your post, but you can go back to what I wrote earlier to find some clarity. I'd just be repeating myself here. The above is a straw man, tho. You need to know that. All the second-rounders in history (forget about the only ones you seem to know: namely those who play fantasy football positions) have nothing to do with our situation in Cincinnati, even less to do with our context heading into that draft and what we sought to accomplish in view of the talent available - - - and the specific urgency around our team - - - - - and what had been said throughout the course of the season in terms of what we planned to do. "We're going to draft and develop offensive linemen this year" is not a new strategy, it's not a strategy you should be impressed by. You better be fortifying your trenches every year. This is football ffs. If you're saying that they tried something new and made progress merely by drafting three linemen, a) you would be wrong; b) that's not what this is even about. They needed immediate help, and they promised to get immediate help. (Btw, I'd say your quote from Zac is as close as it gets to endorsing what I just wrote. Nobody's anointed a starter on draft day. But if the word 'starter' is invoked, you better believe that's what they have in mind.) Either way, I gave you more than enough guys- OFFENSIVE LINEMEN- who are in camp for other teams right now and faring well. What's more, many of them have joined OLs far superior to ours, yet could still win starting positions by the time we reach September. It doesn't make us look good. And again, I could care less how long it took DERRICK HENRY to get on the field. It has as much to do with what we're talking about as comparing Jackson Carman to Javonte Williams: that is, not at all. Let's stay on topic.
08-09-2021, 11:48 PM
OL is very important. Really they set the tone of the game. QB's, WR's, and RB's get a lot of attention. But the OL receives little credit but they are the x-factor on it.
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