Enjoy the Bengals while it lasts

[Whatever]

(08-03-2021, 09:16 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Cincinnati had the 3rd most viewers for the 2020 NFL Draft:

https://local12.com/sports/bengals/cincinnati-was-no-3-market-nationally-in-terms-of-viewership-for-nfl-drafts-first-round-ohio-nielsen-roger-goodell-joe-burrow-bengals-columbus-cleveland

Cincinnati has the 2nd higest local rating for Monday Night Football last year  (look at the ratings for big markets like DC and Philly):

https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2020/12/high-five-steelers-bengals-drives-espns-monday-night-football-to-15-year-over-year-audience-growth-fifth-consecutive-week-of-mnf-viewership-gains/

These are just examples of what I was talking about earlier.  Viewership, also known as ratings, is incredibly important.  Advertisers care more about this than they do market size.  Both of them matter.  

Cincinnati is a great market for the NFL to be in.  And if you're going off of market size alone, then I would assume they'll be looking to move the Chiefs, Steelers, and Colts as well.

The '20 draft was an outlier.  You had the Burrow to Cinci storyline, but you also had OSU players go 2 and 3.  Viewership was up all over Ohio 

Cincinnati had the 2nd highest local rating for the Bengals-Steelers game, not the entirety of the NFL season, which is to be expected when they are one of the two teams playing.  And Pittsburgh still crushed them by 12 points 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(08-03-2021, 08:05 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Columbus is one of the largest cities in the country, and still growing.  There is some crazy stat I heard at a Nationwide Children's Medical Conference that Columbus is within 6 hours of something like 75% of the nation's population (although that doesn't seem realistic). 

The one scenario I could see is Columbus as that city could probably build the stadium and still be close enough to Cincy that it wouldn't cause too much of an uproar.  

That being said, I sure as hell hope it doesn't happen.  FWIW, I don't think the Brown family will move the team.  This is the family that turns down significant money for naming rights to the stadium to remain named in honor of the team's founder.  If it were a big corporate type ownership, I think they would move.  This might be one of the only times being a mom-and-pop organization favors the team.  

Columbus will never have an NFL team. OSU is all that matters in that town.

[Whatever]

(08-03-2021, 09:42 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Rank Team(s) Pop. in TV Households (000s) Media Market(s)

1) New York Giants / Jets 22421 New York, Hartford-New Haven1 , Wilkes-Barre--Scranton
2) Oakland Raiders / San Francisco 49ers 10645 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Monterey-Salinas
3) Chicago Bears 10606 Chicago, South Bend-Elkhart, Rockford
4) New England Patriots 9684 Boston (Manchester), Hartford-New Haven1 , Providence-New Bedford, Springfield-Holyoke
5) Philadelphia Eagles 8688 Philadelphia, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2
6) Carolina Panthers 8152 Charlotte, Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson, Greensboro--High Point--Wiston-Salem, Columbia
7) Dallas Cowboys 8071 Dallas-Fort Worth, Waco-Temple-Bryan, Sherman-Ada
8) Detroit Lions 8032 Detroit, Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, Toledo, Lansing, Windsor
9) Atlanta Falcons 6462 Atlanta, Macon
10) Houston Texans 6452 Houston, Beaumont-Port Arthur
11) Washington Redskins 5853 Washington (Hagerstown)
12) Miami Dolphins 5722 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce
13) Minnesota Vikings 5073 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Rochester-Mason City-Austin, Mankato
14) Cleveland Browns 4794 Cleveland-Akron (Canton), Youngstown
15) Denver Broncos 4727 Denver, Colorado Springs-Pueblo
16) Cincinnati Bengals 4666 Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington
17) Seattle Seahawks4 4565 Seattle-Tacoma
18) Arizona Cardinals 4438 Phoenix (Prescott)
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4417 Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota), Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
20) Pittsburgh Steelers 4396 Pittsburgh, Johnstown-Altoona-State College, Wheeling-Steubenville, Clarksburg-Weston
21) Baltimore Ravens 4248 Baltimore, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2 , Salisbury
22) Green Bay Packers5 4186 Milwaukee, Green Bay-Appleton, Madison
23) Saint Louis Rams 3986 Saint Louis, Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
24) Jacksonville Jaguars 3660 Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
25) Indianapolis Colts 3266 Indianapolis, Terre Haute, Lafayette
26) Buffalo Bills6 2990 Buffalo, Rochester, Erie
27) Kansas City Chiefs 2903 Kansas City, Topeka, Saint Joseph
28) San Diego Chargers 2683 San Diego7
29) Tennessee Titans 2667 Nashville, Bowling Green
30) New Orleans Saints 2635 New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi-Gulfport

What good is a big tv market if the games are constantly blacked out?

The NFL is also smart enough to know that most people in a given market are not going to just stop watching the NFL if their team moves.

[*SHRacerX*]

(08-03-2021, 10:41 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Columbus will never have an NFL team. OSU is all that matters in that town.

I get that, but there are a lot of Bengals fans there, and that city is massive.  I could see it happening there before the other cities I have heard mentioned.  

But you are right....how would you like to be going up against a team that wins 90% of the time???

They also have shown a huge following for the Blue Jackets and Columbus Crew.  Granted, those are different sports, but they have a shit ton of fans.  

[Nicomo Cosca]

(08-03-2021, 10:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I get that, but there are a lot of Bengals fans there, and that city is massive.  I could see it happening there before the other cities I have heard mentioned.  

But you are right....how would you like to be going up against a team that wins 90% of the time???

They also have shown a huge following for the Blue Jackets and Columbus Crew.  Granted, those are different sports, but they have a shit ton of fans.  

Columbus is also pretty much split into both Browns and Bengals fans (maybe with the Browns having a slight edge) as far as NFL goes. I just don’t see it.

[XenoMorph]

(08-02-2021, 07:19 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Sadly I think the future of small media  markets like Buffalo, Cincinnati and Jacksonville are facing intense $$ to move to larger and/or growing markets out there to move.  So enjoy the Bengals the next few years as the lease agreement is up in 2026.  We might see the Bills gone in a couple years... and trust me I am not advocating for it regardless how we play good or bad the next few years

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bills-reportedly-eyeing-move

Based on the Fact its still called Paul Brown Stadium i dont think its much of a worry as long as Mike is around.

[*Nately120*]

(08-03-2021, 12:08 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Based on the Fact its still called Paul Brown Stadium i dont think its much of a worry as long as Mike is around.

It could be "Paul Brown presents Porn Hub Stadium." 

[*SHRacerX*]

(08-03-2021, 11:01 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Columbus is also pretty much split into both Browns and Bengals fans (maybe with the Browns having a slight edge) as far as NFL goes. I just don’t see it.

Like I said, I doubt it but it makes more sense than other cities.  Half the population of Columbus is still bigger than Cincy.  And you would still have Dayton, Springfield, etc. markets. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-02-2021, 07:32 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I think the new energy the FO has instilled over the last several months has helped and I think Mike Brown will let his daughter negotiate the new lease which should help.

Thinking the same. I want the Bengals and Bills to always stay where they are at. 

[BengalChris]

(08-02-2021, 07:19 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Sadly I think the future of small media  markets like Buffalo, Cincinnati and Jacksonville are facing intense $$ to move to larger and/or growing markets out there to move.  So enjoy the Bengals the next few years as the lease agreement is up in 2026.  We might see the Bills gone in a couple years... and trust me I am not advocating for it regardless how we play good or bad the next few years

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bills-reportedly-eyeing-move

I find it amazing that people think Cincinnati is a small market.

According to this link https://www.statista.com/statistics/183600/population-of-metropolitan-areas-in-the-us/, if you count down, Cincinnati metro area is the 30th largest in the US.

San Diego is 60% larger and is about the size of the Tampa area (where I live). Pittsburgh and Las Vegas are microscopically larger than Cinci.

Cleveland, Indy and KC are slightly smaller than Cinci.

New Orleans, Carolina, Milwaukee, Buffalo and Jacksonville are much smaller.

Is it the market size or is it a failure to deliver what the people want?

It's a question that has to be asked.

 

[Essex Johnson]

(08-03-2021, 09:42 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Rank Team(s) Pop. in TV Households (000s) Media Market(s)

1) New York Giants / Jets 22421 New York, Hartford-New Haven1 , Wilkes-Barre--Scranton
2) Oakland Raiders / San Francisco 49ers 10645 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Monterey-Salinas
3) Chicago Bears 10606 Chicago, South Bend-Elkhart, Rockford
4) New England Patriots 9684 Boston (Manchester), Hartford-New Haven1 , Providence-New Bedford, Springfield-Holyoke
5) Philadelphia Eagles 8688 Philadelphia, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2
6) Carolina Panthers 8152 Charlotte, Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson, Greensboro--High Point--Wiston-Salem, Columbia
7) Dallas Cowboys 8071 Dallas-Fort Worth, Waco-Temple-Bryan, Sherman-Ada
8) Detroit Lions 8032 Detroit, Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, Toledo, Lansing, Windsor
9) Atlanta Falcons 6462 Atlanta, Macon
10) Houston Texans 6452 Houston, Beaumont-Port Arthur
11) Washington Redskins 5853 Washington (Hagerstown)
12) Miami Dolphins 5722 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce
13) Minnesota Vikings 5073 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Rochester-Mason City-Austin, Mankato
14) Cleveland Browns 4794 Cleveland-Akron (Canton), Youngstown
15) Denver Broncos 4727 Denver, Colorado Springs-Pueblo
16) Cincinnati Bengals 4666 Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington
17) Seattle Seahawks4 4565 Seattle-Tacoma
18) Arizona Cardinals 4438 Phoenix (Prescott)
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4417 Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota), Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
20) Pittsburgh Steelers 4396 Pittsburgh, Johnstown-Altoona-State College, Wheeling-Steubenville, Clarksburg-Weston
21) Baltimore Ravens 4248 Baltimore, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2 , Salisbury
22) Green Bay Packers5 4186 Milwaukee, Green Bay-Appleton, Madison
23) Saint Louis Rams 3986 Saint Louis, Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
24) Jacksonville Jaguars 3660 Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
25) Indianapolis Colts 3266 Indianapolis, Terre Haute, Lafayette
26) Buffalo Bills6 2990 Buffalo, Rochester, Erie
27) Kansas City Chiefs 2903 Kansas City, Topeka, Saint Joseph
28) San Diego Chargers 2683 San Diego7
29) Tennessee Titans 2667 Nashville, Bowling Green
30) New Orleans Saints 2635 New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi-Gulfport

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-market-size-nfl-mlb-nhl-nielsen-ratings/

I think your stats are a bit dated Rams/Raiders reference to St. Louis and Oakland...... recent ratings I found from Nielsen has us 28th out of 32 teams ahead of Raiders, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Buffalo

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-03-2021, 01:48 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I find it amazing that people think Cincinnati is a small market.

According to this link https://www.statista.com/statistics/183600/population-of-metropolitan-areas-in-the-us/, if you count down, Cincinnati metro area is the 30th largest in the US.

San Diego is 60% larger and is about the size of the Tampa area (where I live). Pittsburgh and Las Vegas are microscopically larger than Cinci.

Cleveland, Indy and KC are slightly smaller than Cinci.

New Orleans, Carolina, Milwaukee, Buffalo and Jacksonville are much smaller.

Is it the market size or is it a failure to deliver what the people want?

It's a question that has to be asked.

 

Thank you Chris, I thought so. They need to deliver, that is the deal and the only one.

[samhain]

High effort and profit maximization aren't exactly business concepts that come to mind when I think of the Brown family. If they wanted to do nothing but rake in the cash, there are any number of strategies they could have employed by now, most notably stadium naming rights. They, up until this year, do a very poor job of promoting the team with fans, which doesn't exactly encourage money to pour in.

I think the family is likely content putting in their current effort and milking the cash cow that can't fail until they have absolutely no choice. A move to a bigger city means dealing with a whole new set of problems. You have a chance of getting a legit local sports media that will hammer ownership in ways that make what they've been through here look like a play date. You also get a bigger city with, by definition, a bigger list of options for how people spend extra income. How long would a place like that tolerate the Brown family? These are not big city people, and they're likely smart enough to understand that they want no part of being the laughingstock of a large town.

[BengalChris]

What larger metro areas would be offering the Brown family a pile of cash?

Here's the list of areas larger than Cinci who don't have an NFL team:

San Bernardino/Riverside/Ontario, CA (4,650,630) Part of the greater, greater Los Angeles area
San Diego, CA (3,338,330) Couldn't keep the Chargers in town
Orlando (2,608,150) I just don't see a fourth a team in Florida as being marketable and it's only a two hour drive over here to Tampa.
San Antonio, TX (2,550,960)
Portland, OR (2,492,410)
Sacamento, CA (2,363,730)
Austin, TX (2,227,080)

The San Fran/Oakland area in California could possibly hold another team as the Raiders have moved away, but who would want to live in that crap hole?

None of those look like very exciting destinations.

[XenoMorph]

(08-04-2021, 11:52 AM)BengalChris Wrote: What larger metro areas would be offering the Brown family a pile of cash?

Here's the list of areas larger than Cinci who don't have an NFL team:

San Bernardino/Riverside/Ontario, CA (4,650,630) Part of the greater, greater Los Angeles area
San Diego, CA (3,338,330) Couldn't keep the Chargers in town
Orlando (2,608,150) I just don't see a fourth a team in Florida as being marketable and it's only a two hour drive over here to Tampa.
San Antonio, TX (2,550,960)
Portland, OR (2,492,410)
Sacamento, CA (2,363,730)
Austin, TX (2,227,080)

The San Fran/Oakland area in California could possibly hold another team as the Raiders have moved away, but who would want to live in that crap hole?

None of those look like very exciting destinations.

pretty sure St Louis wants another team  But im not to worried about the bengals moving as its not something any of us can control if it happens