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(10-24-2021, 09:31 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:
I may catch flak for saying this, but so be it.
Remember how after Boyd had that late TD catch that knocked the Ravens out of the playoffs they would shadow him with Humphrey the entire game and completely erase him?
That's the difference between a true WR1 and a best WR in a bad WR corps WR1.
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(10-24-2021, 10:48 PM)Whatever Wrote: I may catch flak for saying this, but so be it.
Remember how after Boyd had that late TD catch that knocked the Ravens out of the playoffs they would shadow him with Humphrey the entire game and completely erase him?
That's the difference between a true WR1 and a best WR in a bad WR corps WR1.
Marlon Humphrey is probably the best slot corner in the NFL. The injury to Marcus Peters has forced him to play on the boundary more.
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Marlon alone didn’t give up THAT many, did he? I recall the game announcers on TV saying that when the Ravens went man, he was gonna be on Chase, yet I saw several plays where Chase was guarded by someone else. DID Marlon really give up all those yards?
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(10-24-2021, 11:12 PM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: Marlon alone didn’t give up THAT many, did he? I recall the game announcers on TV saying that when the Ravens went man, he was gonna be on Chase, yet I saw several plays where Chase was guarded by someone else. DID Marlon really give up all those yards?
I’m not sure, but he did give up the 55 yarder to CJ as well. Plus the 82 yarder, which alone is 137 yards.
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Man I will never get sick of watching that 82 yarder.
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(10-24-2021, 11:16 PM)Rubekahn29 Wrote: I’m not sure, but he did give up the 55 yarder to CJ as well. Plus the 82 yarder, which alone is 137 yards.
Wasn't he the coverage guy on all 3 TD catches? If yes, thats over 170 yards just on that alone. Let alone the other plays Chase made in front of him. He had a BAD day and thats to our teams credit.
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(10-25-2021, 03:36 AM)wanga Wrote: Man I will never get sick of watching that 82 yarder.
Two weeks in a row Chase gives us a gem. The block against the Lions and now the Madden, video game like break away 82 yarder against the Ravens.
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Alrighty Bengals & Chase fans, I need some parenting advice. After Chase's 82 yarder, my 12 year old son was like, "Burrow and Chase are awesome," BUT, there has to be a BUT, he then says, "Chase will probably get hurt badly in a few games and never be as good again.... that's how it goes for the Bengals."
Do I applaud my son living in reality or do I discipline him for cursing Chase and the Bengals?
He's got a point, the Bengals first round draft pick in recent years doesn't play a full season. I'm also disappointed his Bengals cynicism is a direct reflection of me. I still think I ground my kid for a few months for putting this on Chase.
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(08-30-2021, 12:38 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I think the biggest things we, as fans, will regret when it comes to the Chase pick are:
1. Genuinely believing a rookie was going to come in and be an undisputed #1 WR and the marvel that he was in college.
2. Comparing him to John Ross from the second he joined the team.
I get it. We have had three top 10 WRs in the last 11 drafts. One was instantly transcendent. Another was basically a bust from the second he joined the team. He wasn't able to stay healthy and, when he was healthy, he had no impact on the game. I think it was inevitable that Chase was going to be judged on the Green-Ross binary.
So far, Chase's career is reminding fans of Ross more than Green. Is history bound to repeat itself? Did we actually draft the same stupid player twice in less than a decade? I feel like our fanbase is still kind of reeling from the Ross pick. It wasn't viewed favorably at the time and it was only natural to want to say "I told you so!" when it, predictably, didn't work out.
And now, again, a divisive pick at WR. Not for the same reasons, mind you. Ross was undeniably a reach when we picked him. He was all speed with questionable toughness, injury history and questions about the difficulty of his opposition tied in with a suspicion that he only got drafted that high because he broke the 40 yard dash record at the combine.
Chase, on the other hand, was definitively not considered a reach. The reason his selection was divisive was because we could have taken a player that we'd been primed to take for, literally over a year to that point. There were people holding Sewell signs at home games during the 2020 season. There were concerns about winning games because it would knock us out of "Sewell range." There was even rumblings of "oh shit, NYJ is now picking #2. There isn't a QB that is worth that pick, so they'll obviously take Sewell. We're screwed!"
When a fanbase builds a player up in their head like this, it's only natural that having the opportunity to draft them and passing on that opportunity will create divisiveness.
We experienced a somewhat similar sensation when we drafted Zeitler instead of DeCastro, who we had convinced ourselves would not be available at our pick in 2012. Then he was, and we traded down anyway. There was a very similar visceral reaction to Zeitler. Fortunately for him, he played well from the beginning of his career, but had he struggled, the same questions would have started to come up as well.
I hope we, as a fan base, keep in mind the differences between Chase and Ross going into the season.
Chase was not a reach. He was not a bad pick. He is not a bust waiting to happen.
If you stop comparing him to Ross, you'll feel much better about the idea that rookies are still rookies. The expectation that he'd step in and immediately be our #1 WR and that we'd have a top 3 WR corp between him, Boyd and Higgins was ALWAYS unrealistic and I'm grateful that that bubble has been popped early. That way, we won't have to suffer this same angst 8 weeks in when Chase isn't averaging 100 yards per game like so many people had come to expect during this off season.
Perhaps I spoke too soon haha. In an attempt to temper expectations, I undervalued just how elite this man is.
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(10-25-2021, 09:44 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Perhaps I spoke too soon haha. In an attempt to temper expectations, I undervalued just how elite this man is.
no way to know how someone translates to the NFL till they are in fact in the NFL
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(10-24-2021, 11:02 PM)Synric Wrote: Marlon Humphrey is probably the best slot corner in the NFL. The injury to Marcus Peters has forced him to play on the boundary more.
Right the ravens missing a few starters out there... and that hurts alot when a guy like chase comes to town
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I've said it before and I hope to keep saying it again . . . the only receiver that he reminds me of is former Raven and Panther legend, Steve Smith And almost all of it is the result of his mental approach. In fact, Steve Smith was the only receiver of his type that I have seen, until Chase. He is hard to cover and has an attack mode that AJ Green never had.
He's going to have to adjust to playing a lot more double teams the rest of the season. Time for Boyd, Higgins and Uzomah to focus on picking up more targets to make opponents pay.
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(10-24-2021, 11:02 PM)Synric Wrote: Marlon Humphrey is probably the best slot corner in the NFL. The injury to Marcus Peters has forced him to play on the boundary more.
Humphrey is really good at both slot and outside. He was an outside CB his first two years and gave up passer ratings of 53.5 and 76.3 when targeted. He then moved to primarily being a slot the next two years and put up 75.4 and 87.0 passer ratings.
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I think it's fair to say that we're not 5-2 if we drafted Sewell instead of Chase.
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Here’s a question
If we had magic GUARUNTEES that Sewell would grade as the best LT in the league as a rookie and Chase would grade as the number 1 WR who would you have drafted ?
-Housh
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(10-24-2021, 11:12 PM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: Marlon alone didn’t give up THAT many, did he? I recall the game announcers on TV saying that when the Ravens went man, he was gonna be on Chase, yet I saw several plays where Chase was guarded by someone else. DID Marlon really give up all those yards?
From what i remember Everett played no memorable snaps guarding Chase. The Ravens other corner i think took Chase for a couple snaps but the vast majority of Chase’s game was being covered by Marlon. Marlon has to hold that L
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(10-25-2021, 11:43 AM)Housh Wrote: From what i remember Everett played no memorable snaps guarding Chase. The Ravens other corner i think took Chase for a couple snaps but the vast majority of Chase’s game was being covered by Marlon. Marlon has to hold that L
Humphrey himself tweeted that he gave up over 250. I'm presuming that's Chase +bomb to Uzi.
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(10-25-2021, 10:24 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:
To put this into further perspective, Kupp leads the league in adjusted receiving yards with 989 while accounting for 57% of the Rams passing offense. Chase is second in the league with 874 adjusted yards and accounts for 51% of the Bengals passing offense with Adams at third with 804 yards and 47% of the Packers passing offense.
The difference between all of these guys? Kupp and Adams are doing it with 81 and 73 targets, respectively. Chase is doing it on 51.
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(10-25-2021, 11:25 AM)Housh Wrote: Here’s a question
If we had magic GUARUNTEES that Sewell would grade as the best LT in the league as a rookie and Chase would grade as the number 1 WR who would you have drafted ?
100% Chase.
This was the assumption before the draft, that they would both be transcendent players (perhaps not this quickly) and we picked Chase.
An elite WR does more for your offence than one elite OL player.
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