Give the Reds credit for trying

[fredtoast]

Too many people here act like the Reds never make any moves to bring in talent and always give their players away. while the Reds have obviously not been very successful at least they have went out and got some above average to very good starters.

Matt Harvey
Yasiel Puig
Matt Kemp
Sonny Gray
Tanner Roark
Trevor Bauer
Mike Moustakas
Nick Castellanos

So I am looking forward to what they will do this offseason.

[guyofthetiger]

They have some good players this year. They just can't seem to get the W's when needed. Winning games is what it is all about and not personal stats.

[fredtoast]

(10-13-2021, 02:21 AM)guyofthetiger Wrote: They have some good players this year. They just can't seem to get the W's when needed. Winning games is what it is all about and not personal stats.

Not sure what you mean by "personal stats" not meaning anything.

Maybe if you look at the "personal stats" of our relief pitchers this year you will get an idea why we didn't get the W's we needed.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-12-2021, 10:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Too many people here act like the Reds never make any moves to bring in talent and always give their players away.  while the Reds have obviously not been very successful at least they have went out and got some above average to very good starters.

Matt Harvey
Yasiel Puig
Matt Kemp
Sonny Gray
Tanner Roark
Trevor Bauer
Mike Moustakas
Nick Castellanos

So I am looking forward to what they will do this offseason.

Eh...

Harvey had been bad for multiple years. 
Puig had been aggressively mediocre for a couple years and was living off the hype of his first 2 years.
Kemp hadn't had a 2.0 WAR season since 2012.
Moustakas is just meh and has played 150 games in a season just 1 time and now they're stuck with him.

Also worth noting that of your list of 8 players, only 2 of them spent at least 2 full seasons with the Reds. That's Gray, who has gotten worse every year, and Castellanos who sucked year 1, then was great in his opt out year, and is now leaving to get paid.

They traded for old Matt Kemp, Yasiel Puig, and Kyle Farmer and got 1 wild card game in an expanded playoff..... Then the Dodgers took those prospects they got and turned them into the key pieces to get Mookie Betts, David Price, a World Series win, Max Scherzer, and Trea Turner, and probably another World Series win.

[grampahol]

The only FA they hit on really was Castillanos. Bauer only pitched one season, the pandemic shortened then went to LA and we all know what's transpired since.. Gray has been prety good as well, but as a whole? They really haven't done much to build on with FAs.. Draftees have done better and a handful of trades, but FA's for the most part have been busts..

[fredtoast]

(10-16-2021, 10:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Puig had been aggressively mediocre for a couple years and was living off the hype of his first 2 years.

The 2 years before we obtained him Puig had hit 51 HR and stole 30 bases in just 900 at bats with a .490 slg% and .825 OPS.

(10-16-2021, 10:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Moustakas is just meh and has played 150 games in a season just 1 time and now they're stuck with him.

He hit 35 HRs and had a 516 slugging percentage the year before we signed him.

(10-16-2021, 10:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Kemp hadn't had a 2.0 WAR season since 2012.

The year before we brought in Kemp he hit .290 with a .481 slg% and .818 OPS.

(10-16-2021, 10:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Also worth noting that of your list of 8 players, only 2 of them spent at least 2 full seasons with the Reds. That's Gray, who has gotten worse every year, and Castellanos who sucked year 1, then was great in his opt out year, and is now leaving to get paid.

Sometimes good signing don't work out.  But you can't blame the Reds for that.  At the time we signed Gray he was under 30 with a winning career record and 3.66 career ERA.  if we sign a guy like thta this year are you going to ***** and cry about it.

Same with Castellanos.  He was 27 and coming off a season where he hit 27 HR with a .289 batting average and ,525 slg%.  Are you going to complain if we bring in a guy like that this year?

(10-16-2021, 10:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They traded for old Matt Kemp, Yasiel Puig, and Kyle Farmer and got 1 wild card game in an expanded playoff..... Then the Dodgers took those prospects they got and turned them into the key pieces to get Mookie Betts, David Price, a World Series win, Max Scherzer, and Trea Turner, and probably another World Series win.

I am calling BS on this claim.

Exactly what players did we trade to get those guys and who did the Dodgers trade to get Betts, Price, Sherzer, and Trea Turner.  I find it impossible to believ that they got al those guys with the players we traded to get Puig, Farmer, and Kemp.